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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 18 Apr 2010, 04:44
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Post 22 May 2013, 04:47
Another maritime incident, this time involving DPRK border guards holding Chinese fishing boats for ransom. Notice especially the last line about being related to "spring food shortages".

AP wrote:
BEIJING (AP) — Gunmen wearing North Korean military uniforms released a Chinese fishing boat after holding its crew for two weeks, beating up the captain and stealing the vessel's fuel, the boat's owner said. He added that the hijackers did not get the 600,000 yuan ($100,000) ransom they had demanded.

The seizure May 5 in what boat owner Yu Xuejun said were Chinese waters was the latest irritant in relations between North Korea and a Chinese government increasingly frustrated with its neighboring ally over tests of its nuclear and rocket technologies in defiance of U.N. bans. One of China's North Korea watchers said rogue border guards were probably responsible, rather than the Pyongyang government itself.

Yu said in an interview that the men released Tuesday were allowed to move around the boat while they were held captive, but were locked in a room at night. He said the captain suffered an arm injury when he was beaten, but he has since recovered, and that no other crew member was harmed.

They now planned to stay out at sea for another 10 days.

"The North Koreans only left the crew with one sack of rice and one sack of flour. But this shouldn't be a problem as there are a lot of boats in that region now, all from Dalian," he said, referring to the northeast China port where his boat is based. "With their help, the crews will do OK for the next 8 or 10 days."

Yu publicized the boat's capture over the weekend on his Tencent Weibo microblog as a ransom deadline neared. China then publicly demanded that North Korea release the men, though Chinese officials have not said whether they believe the armed captors were operating on their own or under North Korean government authority.

No ransom was paid, Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman Hong Lei said at a news briefing Tuesday.

"We demand North Korea investigate this case fully and furnish China with details, and take measures to stop such cases repeating themselves," Hong said.

Yu also said he hadn't paid any ransom. "We were working in our country's waters — why should I pay them?" he said. He had earlier written online that he couldn't afford it.

He said the captors "looked like soldiers, and the captain said they had guns and used force to take over the boat."

Yu posted coordinates on his microblog indicating the seizure took place about 100 kilometers (60 miles) from the westernmost point of North Korea and about 190 kilometers (120 miles) from Dalian.

That area is outside both countries' territorial waters — defined as 12 nautical miles from their shores — but within their overlapping Exclusive Economic Zones, which give them rights to resources including fishing. Jurisdictions in overlapping zones are not always clear.

Yu said the North Koreans took fuel and food, but navigation and communication equipment that was initially taken was returned, Yu said.

Yu's pleas for help and his frets that his crew might be mistreated were forwarded thousands of times on the Internet, and a high-ranking Chinese military officer, Maj. Gen. Luo Yuan, wrote on Sina Weibo of his fury over the detention.

"North Korea has gone too far! Even if you are short of money, you can't grab people across the border and blackmail," wrote Luo, who has more than 300,000 followers.

A similar abduction a year ago of Chinese fishermen by armed North Koreans caused an uproar in China. After their release, those fishermen said they had been starved and beaten, and some had been stripped of everything but their underwear.

Hong, the Foreign Ministry spokesman, had declined to answer a question Monday about who exactly China believed was behind the boat seizure, but he made clear that Beijing was looking for the North Korean government to secure the release of the boat and crew.

An expert on North Korea at the Liaoning Academy of Social Sciences in northeast China said he doubted the North Korean government would have had any knowledge of the incident when it happened.

"This incident is purely about a lawless act by the North Korean border police to blackmail our fishermen," said Lu Chao, adding that such things frequently happen to Chinese fishermen working near border waters.

"Sometimes, if the amount they are asking for isn't too high, the boat owner would just pay it," he said. This time, it might be related to spring food shortages, "so they are asking for a huge ransom."
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Post 22 May 2013, 07:17
I think it's time for the Chinese ( who, by the way, were the ones behind DPRK surviving the 50s war in the first place ) to put an end to this tragedy. There's no reason why DPRK should exists anymore, as it's a hopelessly ruined country and the longer the current bosses stay in Pyongyang the more suffering Koreans will take from these satraps.
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Post 31 May 2013, 03:24
so you want the Chinese to replace the DPRK rulers? Is that even an improvement? Sweatshop suicides is really an improvement
and if you know anything thing about East Asian culture, the Chinese occupying the DPRK is the last thing the North Korean masses want.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 04 Feb 2013, 06:55
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Post 31 May 2013, 06:57
redsniper wrote:
so you want the Chinese to replace the DPRK rulers? Is that even an improvement? Sweatshop suicides is really an improvement
and if you know anything thing about East Asian culture, the Chinese occupying the DPRK is the last thing the North Korean masses want.


Atleast their "sweatshop" paychecks can get them some food. Hell, anything is better then the DPRK.
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Post 31 May 2013, 17:43
you don't need food when your existence is so rotten that you'd rather jump out the window then continue it.
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Post 31 May 2013, 17:52
redsniper wrote:
you don't need food when your existence is so rotten that you'd rather jump out the window then continue it.


I mean like, their existence was already rotten under the Kim family, so atleast you add some food, some healthcare improvements, some free speech, some ability to learn "unaltered" history, end some indoctrination, and some electricity so they can find their way around town and the "rottenness" gets a little, I mean alot better.
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Post 04 Jun 2013, 07:24
I dunno, the only reasonable strategy for intervention that I can see would be a revolutionary war, and we're at least one, more likely several decades, away from that. If someone really, sincerely wanted to help the DPRK in a tangible way, I think the best way would be to try Marxist literature and propaganda in there. Especially Trotsky's works.
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Post 17 Apr 2014, 01:54
Eire wrote:
you don't need food when your existence is so rotten that you'd rather jump out the window then continue it.

I mean like, their existence was already rotten under the Kim family, so atleast you add some food, some healthcare improvements, some free speech, some ability to learn "unaltered" history, end some indoctrination, and some electricity so they can find their way around town and the "rottenness" gets a little, I mean alot better.


It's seems that people hate North Korea without nowing s* about it. As Domenico Losurdo said, "the imperialism dont create only ideas, but emotions".

You don't need to be a NK supporter for know that this is totally emotional non-sense, "common sense" in the negative way. It's just media hype, "oh this poor f* country, oh god save them".

There's no real consideration for the real korean problems, like those exiting problems are easely solvable. It's not magic. The food problem came from the '90, the colapse of a agriculture of high energy consumption that suffers from the end of Soviet Union, and then the natural disasters in 97 and 98. The electricty problems is basically the same, and they are being faced. Health care? Hell no! The president of WHO, a chinese woman, said that the koreans were an example for the rest of Asia!

Anyway, so China can invade the rest of the world.... or just Korea is the worst place in the whole world? haha Totally biased. Oh, it could be so amazing if it was "USA" instead of China, "AMERICA F* YEAH, SAVING THE WOLRD", it's the same discourse from Irak, Cold War etc.... we can talk about the "terrorist monster innocent child killers from IRA", the same type of bravado, do you understand me?

The same is equally valid for the Loz commentary. Just ideological discourse, "Axis of Evil" stuff.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 18 Apr 2014, 22:11
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Post 18 Apr 2014, 22:38
No country must have the right to interfere in what other peoples chose for themselves. That's the principle of self-determination and any Marxist-Leninist should strive for its defense.

It doesn't matter if you don't like how socialism is implemented somewhere; what matters is that it IS being implemented somehow, in a model aproppriated or not for other country, with a different historical formation, people, culture, etc. Who will say if it's appropriated if not the ones living under it?

DPRK has a very stable society and the government leadership has the support of the majority of the population. It doesn't mean that any government with popular support is automatically a good government, but that's something usually hidden or unknown.

There's no "ruin" in DPRK and any traveler could confirm that. Even those who are anti-DPRK, assume it has many positive aspects, and eventually end up assuming they used to talk nonsense about it.

I'll make a parody of Loz's phrase:

"I think it's time for the USA to put and end to communist tragedy. There's no reason why socialist countries should exist anymore, as it's a hopelessly ruined system and the longer the current communist bosses stay in power, the more suffering people will take from these satraps".

But anything is better than DPRK, so who cares if NATO destroys one of the few socialist countries nowadays?


You have the right to dislike the Juche ideology and/or that government, but no one has the right to "defecate rules" to others.

Another war wouldn't be a "revolutionary war", since it was already fought. The path to follow is the building of socialism in DPRK and the overcoming of the capitalist remaining in that society; and that is being done and must be done by the people in DPRK, only.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 07 Dec 2013, 14:24
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Post 14 May 2014, 16:49
The WHO woman has to say that or else they won’t get back in! LOL...health care in NK is joke
I’ve heard from the NCP that health care in NK puts the NHS to shame! Seriously, does anyone believe that? What do they have that we in the UK lack?
No one has ever been able to answer that one.

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