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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 12 May 2010, 07:43
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Post 29 Oct 2010, 17:52
GreenCommunism wrote:
bacteriological warfare.

I'm not sure I follow you there. What are you referring to?
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 14 Jul 2008, 20:01
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Post 29 Oct 2010, 18:58
Biological weapons that were used by the US.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 18 Apr 2010, 04:44
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Post 29 Oct 2010, 19:04
Way to derail a thread, but bacteriological warfare from six decades ago is no longer a factor in the 21st century. You may as well penalize modern Germany for disseminating mustard gas in the trenches of the Somme and Marne 90 years ago.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 29 Nov 2004, 20:06
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Post 30 Oct 2010, 12:22
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In what other country could my Aunt become a General?

Any state that allows people to fulfill seats in the government.

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and that "Juche" really boils down to "keep it in the family".

An uneducated statement. Juche does not have to do anything about "keeping it in the family". It is in actuality the opposite.

The media has (once again) mislead many people in the forum.

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I will be genuinely disappointed if Kim Jong Un does become the new leader. This is the chance the DPRK has to disprove a lot of the rumours about it.



Kim Jong Un will not become a revered leader of the state or the party. He is virtually unknown to the North Koreans, he has not contributed anything, he has no written works to speak of, nor has he contributed to the Juche idea. Also, he does not hold a position in the National Defense Committee, nor was he elected to the Political Bureau. He was one of the five people promoted to general, and Ri Yong Ho was promoted to a higher position of vice Marshal. The KFA and DPRK embassies were not even asked to write up a congratulatory letter of Kim Jong Un's promotion.

Kim Jong Un will never be in a position of high leadership, as the North Koreans will never follow him. In fact, they would oppose this very notion. Kim Jong Un does not have the curriculum, nor the political prodigy. Kim Jong Un is very unlike his father and grandfather (Kim Il Sung). It is important to note that this is the sentiment of many, if not most North Koreans.

It is also important to note that the positions he was placed in were administrative ones.

And according to LA Times, Kim Jong Un did indeed spend time in the military, which is far more likely than the "military-inexperienced man" the media and everyone in this forum is repeating. It is rather pathetic how far people are willing go into believing every mud-slinging rumor.
"They say he was three years in the military in the toughest region of the country. He lived like everybody else; they didn't have much food. He saw the system from the inside and will help fix it"

Open Radio for North Korea, another Seoul-based group, also reports that Kim Jong Eun spent three years in the North Korean military as a soldier, not an officer

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The DPRK should abandon that silly Juche ideology

Do you know what Juche is and what it has done for the Korean people?

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and construct a superior ideology because it has outlived its usefulness.

False. Your statement akin to saying that socialism has run its course.

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Autarky is a backwards system which thwarts economic development and causes shortages in essential goods, and the sooner they abandon it, the better it is for the people.

This alone shows your illiteracy of the Juche idea. Juche is not autarky, it does not believe in autarky, nor does it shun on foreign trade.

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We don't really know anything about Kim Jong-un, his views, capabilities, intelligence or his potential stature as a statesmen.

His views are rather irrelevant, as it is clear that he has no great capabilities in social, political and ideological work. Which is more than reason enough for him to be an ineffective leader.

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but things like this current dynastic succession

If there is truly a dynastic succession, I have yet to see it.

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http://english.chosun.com/site/data/html_dir/2010/10/16/2010101600286.html

The Chosun Ilbo is a conservative newspaper, so take from it what you will, but I thought it was an interesting analysis, if not overly pessimistic.

This is also reflected by the North Korean view. The masses will not accept Kim Jong Un as their leader. Kim Jong Il knows this. He has also personally denied any "taking overs" from his son.

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Way to derail a thread, but bacteriological warfare from six decades ago is no longer a factor in the 21st century.

What is your reason for such an outrageous statement?

The immaturity of your statement only insults the many Koreans who suffered in the war due to biological warfare.

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You may as well penalize modern Germany for disseminating mustard gas in the trenches of the Somme and Marne 90 years ago.

You thinking is highly flawed. The current German government no longer resembles the Third Reich or the Empire. However, the America that launched biological weapons many years ago on Korea is the same America that stands now.

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In my opinion, the problem is that practice in the last decades weakened many revolutionary traits of NK, bringing forth a party/military bureaucracy with little interest in socialism.

Evidence?

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I mean, the Party has been paralyzed for almost 20 years!

Evidence?

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The last meeting before this September was in 1993.

There are many types of gatherings and meetings of the WPK. Some are just greater in importance than others. To say that the last meeting was in "1993" is incorrect.

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On the other hand, military is truly in command. I remember an interesting quote from Mao Tsetung: the party must command the military, but the military must never be let to command the party.

The masses are the military. The people control the party, and thus the military. It is important to note that all the 23 million citizens in the DPRK are considered armed soldiers.


I also had to trash a lot of troll/meme posts (you know who you are). Do not post those replies here. Keep them in General Discussion.
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Post 30 Oct 2010, 18:13
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Evidence?

At Kim Il Sung's times, the Party was fully alive, asked for the opinion of the masses, debates flourished... On the contrary, the Party Conference of last September only elected the Central Committee, it did not provide an evaluation of the very very long period since the last congress (1980), it did nothing apart from renewing leadership. I'm not saying this is totally bad, since a renewal was necessary... but a critical evaluation of this period, especially of how the Songun politics was applied, is mandatory, at least in my modest opinion.

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There are many types of gatherings and meetings of the WPK. Some are just greater in importance than others. To say that the last meeting was in "1993" is incorrect.

Sorry, I didn't mean the last party general meeting, but rather the last meeting of the Central Committee. Between 1993 and 2010, no Central Committee session was held. In the meantime, only the Politburo worked, and all its Presidium members except for Kim Jong Il even died!

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Also, he does not hold a position in the National defence Committee, nor was he elected to the Political Bureau. He was one of the five people promoted to general, and Ri Yong Ho was promoted to a higher position of vice Marshal. The KFA and DPRK embassies were not even asked to write up a congratulatory letter of Kim Jong Un's promotion.

Kim Jong Un will never be in a position of high leadership, as the North Koreans will never follow him. In fact, they would oppose this very notion. Kim Jong Un does not have the curriculum, nor the political prodigy. Kim Jong Un is very unlike his father and grandfather (Kim Il Sung). It is important to note that this is the sentiment of many, if not most North Koreans.

Precisely what I believe, too. Although Yang Hyong Sop was reported to swore loyalty to him...
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