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Kim Jong Il on Kim Jong Un succession: "a false rumour"

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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 29 Nov 2004, 20:06
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Post 18 Sep 2010, 03:42
http://sify.com/news/north-korean-leade ... acjcc.html
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North Korean leader denies plan to hand power to son
2010-09-17 14:50:00

Beijing, Sep 17 (DPA) North Korean leader Kim Jong Il has dismissed speculation that he is to hand power to his youngest son, a news report said Friday.

Chinese Prime Minister Wen Jiabao reportedly relayed the North Korean leader's comments to former US president Jimmy Carter at a recent meeting in Beijing, the Yonhap news agency said.

Carter said the Chinese premier 'surprised us by quoting the DPRK leader regarding the prospective promotion of his son, Kim Jong Un, as 'a false rumour from the West'', an entry on the Carter Center website said, using the country's official name, the Democratic People's Republic of Korea.

The former US president met China's head of government Sep 6.

One week earlier North Korea's leader had made a surprise visit to Beijing where his meetings included one with President Hun Jintao.

His visit was accompanied by speculation over the succession to the 68-year-old Kim Jong Il, who is thought to have been in ailing health since reportedly suffering a stroke in 2008.

According to unconfirmed reports, Kim's youngest son was to be appointed to a senior post at a meeting of the Workers' Party in early September to prepare him for the succession.

The party meeting appears to have been postponed unexpectedly.

Carter was in Pyongyang at the end of August where he arranged the freeing of an American who had been jailed for illegally entering North Korea.

Despite initial expectations, Carter did not meet Kim Jong Il, who was already on his way to China.
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Post 18 Sep 2010, 04:38
I remember making a bet with Whitten over whether or not on of Kim's sons would take over from him. It's still on mate.

On topic: I have to admit that this isn't exactly easy to confirm either, but it is a good sign.
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Post 18 Sep 2010, 08:00
I think it's inevitable that Kim will hand power to one of his offspring. He simply has no one else to trust. It's far too late for him to adopt.

In any case, perhaps we should start up a "Succession Pool"? Maybe deposit $5 each into a Paypal holding account, and whoever guesses the correct successor takes the pot?
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Post 18 Sep 2010, 09:55
There should be no financial bets on SE and certainly not between Communists.

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I think it's inevitable that Kim will hand power to one of his offspring.


Then how do you explain what he allegedly told the Chinese? We've likewise never seen any solid proof the DPRK hands over power paternally.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 27 Apr 2007, 18:04
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Post 18 Sep 2010, 11:23
Fellow Comrade wrote:
We've likewise never seen any solid proof the DPRK hands over power paternally.

Kim il Sung -> Kim Jong-il

There you have it, right? Of course it doesn't say anything about the next succession, but it's quite likely that Kim will hand over power to one of his sons.
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Post 20 Sep 2010, 18:43
Funny how cspan failed to hear this.


Comrade Kaiwen wrote:
Kim il Sung -> Kim Jong-il


Fidel Castro -> Raul Castro
George Bush I -> George Bush II
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Post 20 Sep 2010, 20:49
Red Rebel wrote:
Fidel Castro -> Raul Castro
George Bush I -> George Bush II

Yes. And how exactly was that relevant?
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Post 21 Sep 2010, 01:33
He's saying that the child of a political leader becoming a political leader is no proof of a dynastic regime. Which is correct on two levels. Firstly a son succeeding his dad in the same field makes sense from a genetic point of view and from a social point of view. Secondly appointing your son, who is already an accomplished political leader, to a political position is no indication that the son will follow suit. Jong-il's son fits only the genetic requirement.
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Post 21 Sep 2010, 02:10
it would require someone that the north korean people knows and find charismatic, if we see any figure that is on television and is starting to be loved by the people i suspect it might be him. is there anyone like this?
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Post 27 Sep 2010, 23:20
Time for a more hilarious update!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-11417016
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North Korean leader Kim Jong-il's son, Kim Jong-un, has been appointed a general, the country's state media say.

It comes as the ruling party begins its biggest meeting in decades, amid rumours that Kim Jong-il is preparing to cement the family dynasty by anointing his son as successor.

The announcement is the first mention by name in the state's official media of Kim Jong-il's third son.
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The 68-year-old leader is reportedly suffering from several illnesses.

He is believed to have had a stroke two years ago, and has travelled to China for treatment on numerous occasions.

Neither Pyongyang nor Beijing have publicly commented on rumours surrounding his health.

The Workers Party meeting is expected to start on Tuesday, with a stated aim of installing a new leadership team. With Kim Jong-il visibly frail and sick, speculation has been mounting that this meeting is designed to officially anoint Kim Jong-un as his chosen successor.

The theory is given added weight because Kim Jong-il himself was anointed in this way by his own father, the country's first and now "eternal" president, during the last major party event in 1980.

If Kim Jong-un is now given a senior party position to complement his newly-bestowed military rank it will be a strong sign that the authoritarian state really does intend to continue its quasi-religious leadership cult for another generation.

Final confirmation would come if the enigmatic young man's portrait appears alongside that of his father and grandfather in every home and workplace.

Kim Jong-il's sister, Kyong-hui, was also named a general, announced the state-run Korean Central News Agency.

A US official said it was too soon to tell what was happening inside North Korea's leadership, but the United States was watching developments "carefully".

Reports from South Korea on Monday suggested that the military had nominated Kim Jong-un as a delegate for the conference.

The Chosun Ilbo newspaper quoted an unnamed North Korean source as saying a propaganda campaign had already begun to raise Kim Jong-un's profile.

Little is known of Swiss-educated Kim Jong-un, thought to be in his mid-20s.

Rumours emerged last year from the secretive state that he was his father's chosen successor.

Analysts say taking over his father's job would be a huge task for someone with so little experience.
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The Associated Press reported that the capital was decorated with flags and placards announcing the meeting.

Oblisk, what seems logical about appointing a leaders son as a 4 star general in his 20's who hasnt even technically served time in the forces? I don't care how much forsight you have to be a good strategist you dont become a 4 star general over night in your 20's
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Post 27 Sep 2010, 23:37
Correction: Sons of aristos in C19th England were given enormous military prerogative just because.
Oblisk - What exactly is the general process for elections within the DPRK? Does it come from a movement lower down, or from the Politburo itself?
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Post 28 Sep 2010, 00:08
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Kim Jong-il's sister, Kyong-hui, was also named a general, announced the state-run Korean Central News Agency.


Maybe she might be named successor. You never know
. My point being that this is hardly proof one way or the other. I find it hard to believe that a person with such little experience would be given the position.
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Post 28 Sep 2010, 00:11
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My point being that this is hardly proof one way or the other.

This still keeps up with my belief that everything is going down hill with absurd appointments, but who knows maybe they'll do some good and fill their politbureu with some decent guys and not old dinosaurs.
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Post 28 Sep 2010, 04:33
I hope his sister takes over instead of his son at least his sister gas experience.
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Post 28 Sep 2010, 04:41
Make of this what you will. BBC News analysts seem convinced that this means Kim's son is poised to take over from his father. However, I also wonder if Kim might be doing this as well as promoting his sister to general just to make sure that his family would have some political influence and a degree of control over the military, so as to not get sidelined, while someone else will actually be in the leadership position.

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North Korean leader Kim Jong-il's son 'made a general'

North Korean delegates, undated handout from state media State media released images of ranks of delegates arriving in Pyongyang

North Korean leader Kim Jong-il's son, Kim Jong-un, has been appointed a general, the country's state media say.

It comes as the ruling party begins its biggest meeting in decades, amid rumours that Kim Jong-il is preparing to cement the family dynasty by anointing his son as successor.

The announcement is the first mention by name in the state's official media of Kim Jong-il's third son.

The 68-year-old leader is reportedly suffering from several illnesses.

He is believed to have had a stroke two years ago, and has travelled to China for treatment on numerous occasions.

Neither Pyongyang nor Beijing have publicly commented on rumours surrounding his health.

The Workers Party meeting is expected to start on Tuesday, with a stated aim of installing a new leadership team.

Kim Jong-il's sister, Kyong-hui, was also named a general, announced the state-run Korean Central News Agency.

A US official said it was too soon to tell what was happening inside North Korea's leadership, but the United States was watching developments "carefully".

Reports from South Korea on Monday suggested that the military had nominated Kim Jong-un as a delegate for the conference.

The Chosun Ilbo newspaper quoted an unnamed North Korean source as saying a propaganda campaign had already begun to raise Kim Jong-un's profile.

Little is known of Swiss-educated Kim Jong-un, thought to be in his mid-20s.

Rumours emerged last year from the secretive state that he was his father's chosen successor.

Analysts say taking over his father's job would be a huge task for someone with so little experience.
'Eternal president'

The Associated Press reported that the capital was decorated with flags and placards announcing the meeting.

One poster read: "Warm congratulations to the representatives meeting of the Workers Party of Korea."

KCNA reported that party delegates visited the Kumsusan Memorial Palace in Pyongyang on Monday to pay respects to North Korean founder Kim Il-sung, father of Kim Jong-il.

Kim Il-sung is known as the "eternal president", while Kim Jong-il has styled himself the "dear leader".

Kim Jong-il became leader when his father died in 1994.

Under Kim Jong-il, the country's isolation from the outside world has become entrenched.

Mr Kim has built up a personality cult around his family, while North Korea's economy has all but ceased to function and its people suffer from frequent food shortages.
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Post 28 Sep 2010, 05:29
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BBC News analysts seem convinced that this means Kim's son is poised to take over from his father.


Keep in mind that these "news analysts" also say that North Koreans are told to believe that Kim Jong Il's birth was announced with supernatural signs.
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Post 28 Sep 2010, 13:33
Yeah, the BBC always comes out with that. Who translates all these DPRK news broadcasts for them anyway, The Voice of America? It's like during the World Cup when it was said that about 10 DPRK players had fled the training camp after a single day of being in South Africa when in fact none of them did - then the "six hour public grilling" of players after the tournament which was only reported by the South Korean intelligence agency. It's all bull.
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Post 01 Oct 2010, 04:50
So if it's not true what's up with the other sons? Any of them active in politics or anything in NK? Why all this attention on Jong Un in NK media and him rising in political power so fast? But thinking about it I do think what someone said above is right: it has to be someone charismatic and who can hold the NK people. The Kim family has a good cult following with the people, so they have to have someone who can do that too. I just don't see it with Jong Un. He seems quiet and just doesn't have that aura that Kim Jong-Il does have whether you like him or not. As to putting people in the military who are relatives it makes sense. When Kim Jong-Il dies there will be people who will be mourning and all that. People can use that to manipulate emotions and do a coup, so I'm guessing they're trying to have the right people at the right spots to stop things like that from happening. When the coup happened against Chavez in Venezuela the military protected him so you don't want people in power who may go against your family.
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