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N Korea seeks $75 trillion in compensation

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Post 24 Jun 2010, 14:22
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Cash-strapped North Korea has demanded the United States pay almost $US65 trillion ($75 trillion) in compensation for six decades of hostility.

The official North Korean news agency, KCNA, says the cost of the damage done by the US since the peninsula was divided in 1945 is estimated at $US64.96 trillion.

The compensation call comes on the eve of the 60th anniversary of the start of the 1950-1953 Korean War.

KCNA said the figure includes $US26.1 trillion arising from US "atrocities" which left more than 5 million North Koreans dead, wounded, kidnapped or missing.

The agency also claims 60 years of US sanctions have caused a loss of $US13.7 trillion by 2005, while property losses were estimated at $US16.7 trillion.

The agency said North Koreans have "the justifiable right" to receive the compensation for their blood.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010 ... ion=justin
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Post 24 Jun 2010, 16:31
I suppose reparations for damages from the Korean War might be justified, considering that Pyongyang was basically razed to the ground, and the country was indeed quite devastated as a result. On the other hand, I guess it would be possible to throw back at the DPRK that they were the ones who fired the opening shots of the war, and as such, they should be the ones paying the Republic of Korea...

This seems a bit crazy. I mean, the sanctions do hurt the DPRK a lot, and the so-called "international community" that the DPRK has been accused of wronging are basically the rich countries with clout, so in my eyes, I do take umbrage with the sanctions. However, considering that Best Korea sure did quite a bit to piss people off abroad while screwing itself over at home, I don't really know how I feel about this.
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Post 24 Jun 2010, 20:30
The DPRK yet again makes an ass of themselves. How are the United States supposed to pay $75 trillion without resorting to the printing press and destroying their currency in the process? A frivolous demand from a hermit kingdom and the US would most certainly ignore their pathetic cries for cash to aid their broken economy. The US is broke as well as it struggles to repay the debt the government accrued over the past few years due to the financial bailout.
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Post 24 Jun 2010, 20:35
This is just another stupid stunt on Kim's part to shore up his sagging leadership, and maybe set the stage for the transition to power to his son (why is there a dynastic aristocracy in the World's Purest Enclave Of Socialism?). Who is he taking his cue from here? The "Afrocentric" minority in the US? And just how is he going to enforce his demands?

Unless Kim's dynasty is overthrown, DPRK is one "communist" country no one in their right mind will mourn when it goes nova.
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Post 24 Jun 2010, 20:38
Kim will just probably announce that the US really DID pay the sum(or even more),and everyone's happy.
If USA starts compensating every country it (directly) harmed,it would get bankrupt in no time.

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why is there a dynastic aristocracy in the World's Purest Enclave Of Socialism

BTW,do they still call themselves "socialist" or just Juche,whatever?
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According to the Wiki article, Juche replaced Marxism-Leninism in their constitution, but it's supposed to still be a form of socialism, North Korean style. Or something. frag if I know, the DPRK is one of those places that I want to actually know more about, but there's like no real good info available.
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Here is the official KCNA report:

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KCNA on Tremendous Damage Done to DPRK by US
Pyongyang, June 24 (KCNA) -- The Korean Central News Agency released the following report Thursday to expose all forms of crimes the U.S. imperialists committed against the Korean people up to now since their occupation of south Korea:

Six decades have passed since the U.S. imperialists, the sworn enemy of the Korean people, unleashed a war on this land, where they were leading a peaceful happy life.

The U.S. imperialists, chieftain of evils, committed the most barbarous and hideous crimes against the Korean people ever in the world history of wars during the last Korean War.

They committed thrice-cursed genocide, destruction and pillage during the war. They have regarded new People's Korea as a thorn in the flesh ever since their occupation of south Korea. They have persistently pursued an unprecedentedly harsh policy of isolating and stifling the system of the DPRK in wanton violation of the UN Charter and publicly accepted norms of international law, thus doing inestimably tremendous damage to it.

The Committee for Investigation into Damage Done by the U.S. to the Northern Half of Korea summed up all human and material damage brought by the U.S. imperialists to the northern half of Korea for the past six decades since they landed in south Korea on Sept. 8, 1945.

The total damages amount to 64 959 854 million U.S. dollars.

This calculation is based only on old records and official testimonies made by survivors. So it is presumed that there are much more damage that has not been ascertained.

The total amount will be incalculable if political, moral and cultural damages caused by slandering the sovereignty and dignity of the DPRK, destruction of treasures of lasting value including revolutionary sites, historic sites and relics and other precious cultural assets, infliction of moral pressure on the Koreans through the moves for a new war and threats of preemptive nuclear attack and vicious bourgeois ideological and cultural poisoning are included.

With nothing can the U.S. make full compensation to the DPRK for the damage it caused to the DPRK by impeding Korea's reunification after illegally occupying south Korea and, accordingly, inflicting moral pain and misfortune upon the Korean people for more than half a century-long tragic division and hindering the unified political, economic and cultural development of the north and the south of Korea.

The crimes committed by the U.S. imperialists against the DPRK are something beyond human imagination in view of their scope and protracted, barbarous and shameless nature.

The Korean Central News Agency releases a report on the newly surveyed and ascertained damage done by the U.S. imperialists to the northern half of Korea in order to disclose all forms of crimes committed against the Korean people and force them to pay for all of them.


Massacres aimed to exterminate the Korean nation

The most serious damage done to the northern half of Korea by the U.S. imperialists was the monstrous killing of a great number of peaceable inhabitants.

Since their occupation of south Korea, the U.S. imperialist aggressors had perpetrated ceaseless attacks, gun and rifle firing and terrorism against areas north of the 38th parallel in order to destabilize the new country for the people advancing toward socialism and nip it in the bud, thus killing or abducting more than 13,900 people before the war.

The shuddering massacre of civilians the U.S. imperialists committed in the northern half of Korea after igniting the Korean War was unprecedentedly harsh barbarism in wanton violation of international laws on protection of civilians in time of war and publicly accepted wartime laws and regulations.

At least 1,231,540 peaceful inhabitants were cold-bloodedly killed by the U.S. imperialist brutes in the northern half of Korea during the three-year war.

During their temporary occupation of Sinchon County, the U.S. imperialist ogres killed a quarter of the county population. The number of the people killed by them in the whole period of the war stood at least 401,940 in Hwanghae Province, more than 162,180 in South Phyongan Province, over 129,390 in Kangwon Province, at least 116,220 in North Phyongan Province, over 115,300 in South Hamgyong Province, more than 82,020 in North Hamgyong Province and at least 64,240 in Jagang Province.

The U.S. imperialist brutes indiscriminately killed more than 157,840 inhabitants in Pyongyang alone.

Another thrice-cursed crime committed by the U.S. imperialist aggressors during the war was the large-scale germ warfare strictly banned by international law and the massive use of chemical weapons, weapons of mass destruction.

From late January to late March of 1952 the U.S. imperialists dropped germ bombs full of flies, fleas, bugs, mosquitoes and other harmful insects in over 400 places in the northern half of Korea more than 700 times, thus spreading dreadful malignant and acute epidemic viruses including pest, cholera, smallpox and epidemic hemorrhagic fever.

The poisonous gas bombs dropped as part of ill-famed germ warfare and chemical warfare claimed more than 50,000 people in the northern half of Korea including 1,379 inhabitants in Nampho City.

The U.S. imperialists, in utter disregard of the international convention on the treatment of POWs, killed at random POWs of the DPRK side and even used them as guinea pigs, not content with maltreating them.

The American barbarians launched a wholesale man-slaughter operation, wounding more than 2,463,090 and crippling at least 294,020 out of them. They are now under the state protection with no working ability, their hearts burning with towering hatred for the U.S. imperialist murderers and the strong determination to take revenge upon them.

A lot of people were abducted or went missing after being taken in by the U.S. imperialist aggressors' propaganda amidst the war holocaust. This left an indelible scar in the nation's history.

Even after it signed the Armistice Agreement, yielding to the heroic Korean people, the U.S. committed non-stop military attacks, assaults, terror and sabotage operations against the DPRK on the eastern and western coasts and on the land and in the air, leaving more than 24,910 people killed, abducted or wounded.

The U.S. imperialists carried out a terrorist operation against an airliner flying in the air above the Caribbean Sea in Oct. 1976, killing DPRK officials working in the field of the external affairs. This stripped naked their true colors as murderers before the world.

The U.S. imperialists killed or wounded a total of at least 5,060,770 civilians of the DPRK: 1,247,870 killed, 911,790 abductees and more than 391,740 reported missing.

According to damages calculated by international practices, they total 26,168,823 million U.S. dollars: 16,533,396 million for the dead, abductees and missing people and 9,635,427 million for the wounded and disabled when taking their possible working years and expected earnings, interest for the compensation unpaid and change in the U.S. currency value into due consideration.

These damages, however, do not include damages for organized and group human rights abuses such as assault and rape of women which the U.S. imperialists committed regardless of whether they were aged or juvenile or pregnant during their temporary occupation of the northern half of Korea.

It is elementary conscience and obligation of human being for an assailant to apologize and compensate to his victim. This also serves as a moral basis for peace of humankind and sound development of the international community even in light of relations among countries.

The U.S., however, requested Cuba to pay an indemnity to the tune of 62,333,333 U.S. dollars for its each pilot who met a death after intruding into the territorial air of Cuba in the mid-1990s. But it has persistently sidestepped the compensation to the Korean people for indiscriminately killing Koreans, doing harm to their lives and health and destabilizing their life, far from uttering even a word of apology.


In fact, damage done by the U.S. imperialists to the lives of the people in the northern half of Korea is hideous crimes unprecedented in human history in the light of the territory and population of the country and unpardonable from international legal and ethical points of view. The Korean people, therefore, have legitimate right to force them to pay for these crimes to the last.

Indiscriminate Destruction and Plunder

The destruction and plunder committed by the U.S. imperialists in the northern half of Korea surpassed by far those committed during the world war in the light of their scope and savage nature.

Property damages done to the Korean people by the U.S. for the past six decades total 16,703,169 million U.S. dollars.

The material and economic damages were summed up on the basis of internationally recognized calculation method.

The U.S. imperialists massively infiltrated terrorists and saboteurs into the northern half of Korea which was alive with the construction of a new country after the liberation. Those gangsters destroyed 3,029 blocks of peaceful structures including industrial establishments and dwelling houses, devastated and burned 1,073 hectares of cultivated land and 1,630 hectares of forests and looted properties and household articles of citizens including more than 1,069 cattle and pigs and thousands of heads of other domestic animals, to say nothing of state and public properties.

Property damages caused by the U.S. imperialists in the northern half of Korea up to the period before the start of the war amounted to 20,281 million U.S. dollars.

During the Korean War the U.S. imperialist aggressors reduced the cities and villages in the northern half of Korea to debris, in breach of war laws and regulations banning attack or bombardment on peaceful cities, villages, dwelling houses and buildings by any means. This war represented a history laying bare the brutality of the U.S. imperialist aggressors and their crimes.

Blustering that they would wipe 78 cities of north Korea off the surface of the earth, the U.S. imperialist aggressors massively bombed and shelled the whole territory of the northern half of Korea and even used internationally banned napalm bombs and bio-chemical bombs, thus turning its whole territory into wilderness of cinders and ashes.

The atrocities committed by the U.S. imperialists on the ground and in the sea and air resulted in severely destroying 50,941 buildings of industrial establishments, 28,632 school buildings at all levels, 4,534 public health buildings including hospitals and clinics, 579 scientific research institutions, 8,163 printing and cultural institutions and 2,077,226 dwelling houses. 7,491 churches, chapels, cathedrals and other buildings for religious services disappeared. This brought the total number of severely damaged buildings to 2,416,407.

Railways extending 4,879 km, roads extending 4,009 km and bridges totaling 1,109 km and 1,489 locomotives, 4,803 trucks and 6,281 fishing boats and ships were destroyed, and 1,715 reservoirs and relevant facilities were blown up or destroyed, causing tremendous human, material and environmental damage.

563,755 hectares of cultivated land were devastated and more than 155,500 hectares of paddy and non-paddy fields lost and millions of domestic animals were slaughtered or looted including 369,101 heads of cattle and 764,604 pigs.


Valuable national cultural heritages were ruthlessly vandalized or looted: 40,755,640 volumes of ancient and old books, documents and data including ancient books listed as national treasures more valuable than billions of dollars were burnt or plundered.

The inhabitants in the northern half of Korea lost most of all their personal properties during the devastating war.

Everything in the northern half of Korea was so severely destroyed that the U.S. imperialists predicted that Korea would not rise again even in 100 years.

Property damages caused by the U.S. imperialists to the northern half of Korea during the war reached 16,661,622 million U.S. dollars.

This proves that the Korean war of aggression launched by the U.S. imperialists was the most barbarous and destructive war ever fought in the world history of wars.

In the postwar period, too, the U.S. committed ceaseless provocations on the land and in the air and sea. It systematically infiltrated terrorists and saboteurs into the DPRK to destroy or burn peaceful facilities. In this course it inflicted 21,266 million U.S. dollar worth of damage upon it.

After defeating the aggressors the Korean people built with dignity a socialist power from scratch in a short span of time by their own efforts. But unspeakable was the aftermath of the indiscriminate destruction of the DPRK's economic foundation by the U.S. imperialists before and after the war.

The U.S. imperialists' sabotage deterred the normal development of the economy. This caused a productivity loss of 10,896 million U.S. dollars before the war and 5,461,460 million during the war.

Availing itself of this opportunity, the DPRK has to state that the U.S. is obliged to pay for many crimes.

Even in the early period of building a new country after its liberation, the Korean people used a lot of raw materials, funds and manpower for rehabilitating reservoirs to supply a large amount of electricity to the south Korean people and full irrigation water to the area of South Yonbaek from the compatriotic step.

The U.S. military authorities, however, collected a fabulous amount of water and electricity charges from the peasants of the said area and other south Korean inhabitants but have not properly paid to the DPRK for them.

They also issued at random currencies amounting to nearly 28.7 billion won by taking advantage of the situation in which the north and the south used common "Korean bank notes" after the liberation of the country and made them circulate in the areas of the northern half of Korea. In this way they plundered it of lots of foods, aquatic products and large quantities of natural resources including fuel and raw materials, thus throwing a big hurdle in the way of the Korean people's building of a new society.

The U.S. imperialists also brought enormous damage to the northern half of Korea by conducting the bio-chemical warfare on a large scale to seriously polluting the ecological environment.

The poisonous substance and germ sprayed by the U.S. imperialists over the areas of the northern half of Korea inflicted big damage on the lives and properties of the Korean people and living environment.

In the postwar period, too, they massively sprayed defoliant in the areas along the Military Demarcation Line to contaminate the air and inflict big damage on the growth of crops and animals and plants of the DPRK side. The amount of damages done by them reaches 4 448 million U.S. dollars.

A long period was required and a fabulous amount of funds were spent to restore to its original state the environment destroyed and polluted by the U.S. imperialists.

For example, the DPRK government was compelled to disburse enormous fund for decades only to combat epidemic hemorrhagic fever pathogens spread by the U.S. imperialists during the Korean War.

The amount of economic damages caused by the U.S. imperialists' environmental degradation and contamination in the areas of the northern half of Korea reaches nearly 505,356 million U.S. dollars.

The U.S. can never evade the responsibility for having inflicted big material and economic damage and losses on the Korean people much bigger than those in the world war and laid serious obstacles to the social development and economic construction in the northern half of Korea.


Product of the U.S. Policy of Isolating and Stifling the DPRK


The U.S. hostile policy toward the DPRK is a policy of state-sponsored terrorism aimed at bringing down the dignified Korean-style socialist system chosen by the Korean people.

Since it divided Korea into two, the U.S. has ceaselessly committed all forms of war provocations, focusing on the moves to stifle the DPRK by force of arms.

The U.S. imperialists committed hundreds of thousands of cases in wanton violation of the Military Armistice Agreement as evidenced by the infiltration of their armed spy ship "Pueblo" into the territorial waters of the DPRK. They have escalated military confrontation and screwed up tension on the Korean Peninsula while getting frantic with exercises for a war of aggression against the DPRK under various codenames every year including Team Spirit, Foal Eagle and Ulji Focus Lens aimed at mounting a preemptive nuclear attack on the DPRK.

Their increased war threat laid big hurdles in establishing a new society and building socialism in the northern half of Korea and hindered the planned and balanced development of the national economy, compelling it to allocate huge additional funds.

The Workers' Party of Korea and the DPRK government were compelled to put forward the line of putting all the people under arms and turning the whole country into a fortress to cope with the U.S. moves for igniting a new war. They had no choice but to carry on economic construction and defence upbuilding simultaneously while directing big efforts to civilian defence training at all times. This did damage worth 2,380,186 million U.S. dollars to the economic development and the improvement of the standard of people's living.

The U.S. imperialists' economic sanctions and blockade have been the keynote of their policy to isolate and stifle the DPRK.

It has been subject to their most protracted and harshest sanctions and blockade in the world.

The successive U.S. rulers have persistently applied systematic and overall economic sanctions and blockade against all sectors including trade, finance, investment, real estate, insurance, transport, post and telecommunications and visits of people for more than a half century to isolate and suffocate the DPRK firmly adhering to independence under the uplifted banner of socialism.

The U.S. started slapping economic sanctions and blockade against the DPRK and other socialist countries after faking up the "the Coordinating Committee for Export to Communist Area" (COCOM) in November 1949. It has intensified economic sanctions and blockade against the DPRK year by year by invoking more than 20 laws including "the Trading with the Enemy Act" and "Export and Import Bank Act," all unilaterally fabricated in wanton violation of international law.

From the 1990s, difficult years when the socialist movement suffered a temporary setback, in particular, the U.S. formed the imperialist allied forces to totally isolate and stifle the DPRK, a socialist fortress, and left no means untried to achieve their purpose. All these moves were unimaginably vicious.

In July 1996 the U.S. cooked up such conspiratorial mechanism as the so-called "Wassenaar Arrangement on Export Controls for Conventional Arms and Dual-use Goods and Technologies" to replace the COCOM which collapsed after the end of the Cold War. It worked hard to totally suffocate the economy of the DPRK through the international sanctions by applying the above-said arrangement to every case.

The U.S. has become evermore reckless in its offensive for international pressure on the DPRK in the new century.

It kicked off a frantic nuclear racket after listing the DPRK as part of an "axis of evil". It listed the DPRK as a "sponsor of terrorism" after faking up fictitious cases. After running the whole gamut of sheer intrigues such as "counterfeit notes", "human rights abuses" and "drug trafficking" the U.S. prodded its satellite countries into knocking into shape and effectuating PSI and the "Regional Maritime Security Initiative" aimed at maritime blockade. Through this campaign for collective sanctions and blockade the U.S. escalated the pressure and blackmailing against the DPRK.

The U.S. persistent sanctions and blockade badly affected every sector of the peaceful economic construction in the DPRK. Damages are on the steady increase.

The U.S. behavior is indescribably base. It froze properties of not only state and public institutions of the DPRK but its citizens. It even prevented individual persons from inheriting properties and froze insurance money. Not content with this, it blocked remittance and prohibited the sending of parcels.

The U.S. most vicious moves to stifle the economy of the DPRK found their manifestation in the sanctions against trade and financial transaction.

It banned not only its businesses but its civilians from having any dealing with businesses and citizens of the DPRK. It put pressure on those countries, businesses and individuals having economic relations with the DPRK, disturbing trade. DPRK traders were subject to U.S. watch and control wherever they went.

These obstructions to free trading activities caused the DPRK to suffer enormous losses in export and import aimed at developing the nation's economy and improving the standard of people's living.

In case the DPRK banks settle accounts with those of other countries in U.S. dollars, the U.S. enforced vicious financial sanctions, unconditionally freezing the relevant funds at U.S. banks. This rendered it impossible for the DPRK to make any settlement in international markets, causing big financial losses in its business.

The U.S. is putting pressure on other countries not to extend any credit or give economic assistance to the DPRK and barring even individuals from making any investment in it. It is also pressurizing its satellite countries not to sell any new equipment or transfer technology to the DPRK.

Worse still, the U.S. did not hesitate to commit such piracy as seizing by force of arms DPRK trading ships when they were sailing in the open seas the free sailing in which is allowed by international law and confiscating their cargo as evidenced by the forcible search of its trade cargo ship "Sosan" carried out by the U.S. in the open seas near Yemen in broad daylight by prodding Spain.

The U.S. moves to economically stifle the DPRK and bring down its system found their vivid manifestation in the fact that it deliberately delayed and scuttled the provision of light war reactors and delivery of heavy oil, the hardcore commitments under the DPRK-U.S. Agreed Framework adopted in October of 1994.

The U.S. dragged on the construction of light water reactors and the provision of heavy oil, deliberately laying hurdles from their outset, and finally suspended both of the jobs which it had conducted for form's sake. This shameless action of the U.S. caused the power industry of the DPRK to suffer electricity losses amounting to astronomical figures and brought awful consequences to the national economy and the people's living after the adoption of the said agreed framework. Due to the U.S. delay in the construction of light water reactors and suspension of the provision of heavy oil the DPRK suffered the loss amounting to 1,165,008 million US dollars.

Immeasurable is the damage the Korean people suffered owing to the economic sanctions and blockade, the products of the U.S. hostile policy toward the DPRK. But the damages brought to light bring the total amount of the accurately estimated damages incurred by the U.S. to the DPRK for six decades up to 2005 to 13,729,964 million U.S. dollars.

The DPRK's building of a thriving nation was impeded due to the "resolutions on sanctions" the U.S. cooked up by instigating the UNSC, calling into question the launch of satellites for peaceful purposes in recent years and labeling the nuclear test conducted by it in a legitimate manner to defend the supreme interests and sovereignty of the country a "threat to peace." These damages are yet to be calculated.

The despicable economic sanctions and blockade perpetrated by the U.S. for more than a half century are the illegal and brigandish crimes and a wanton encroachment on the sovereignty of the state with no ground in the light of international law.

Nevertheless, the U.S. has neither compensated for such base crimes nor repented of them. It is defiling the inviolable dignity and sovereignty of the DPRK by faking up the case of warship "Cheonan" just like a thief crying "Stop the thief!" and working with blood-shot eyes to impose disasters of a nuclear war on this land.

The U.S. has used the nuclear issue on the Korean Peninsula for systematically isolating and stifling the DPRK, not for ensuring peace there. It deliberately derailed the six-party talks. Persistently sidestepping the peaceful co-existence with the DPRK, the U.S. is fostering division and confrontation between the north and the south and hindering the uniform development of the Korean nation, ceaselessly doing unspeakable damage to the former.

All these facts once again clearly prove that the U.S. imperialists are the vicious and barbarous aggressors, murderers, shameless wreckers of peace and the sworn enemy of the Korean nation.

The more reckless the U.S. becomes in its moves to hurt the dignified DPRK, far from apologizing and compensating for its crimes committed against the Korean nation, the higher the hatred of the army and people of the DPRK for it will mount and the stronger they will grow in their resolution to take revenge upon it. The provokers will get nothing but merciless destruction and death for their political and military confrontation.

The army and people of the DPRK who have grown to be matchless revolutionary ranks under the leadership of the Party and the leader will never pardon the crimes of the U.S. imperialists but force them to pay a thousand-fold price for them. They will bolster up the deterrent for self-defence in every way under the banner of Songun, firmly defend the peace in the Korean Peninsula and the rest of the world and build a great prosperous and powerful socialist nation on this land without fail.


The Korean War was absolutely devastating especially for the DPRK. The American aggressors will most likely never apologize or make proper reparations. Itt is insulting to see the media tarnishing this report as something along the lines of "North Korea asks for money, etc".

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On the other hand, I guess it would be possible to throw back at the DPRK that they were the ones who fired the opening shots of the war, and as such, they should be the ones paying the Republic of Korea...

A common misconception:
The average person may not know that the fact over “Who shot the first shot” is a hotly debated issue between conservative hard-liners and progressive communists and socialists. The conventional wisdom of the Korea War is that North Korea, acting as a puppet of the Soviet Union, suddenly and un-provokingly attacked the unarmed South to spread communism throughout the area. Then, the American forces (Under the banner of the United Nations) helped the South repel the invading communist army and restored peace, democracy and freedom in the South. Nothing can be further from the truth:
Through a judicious survey of the historical record, Martin
Hart-Lansberg demonstrates that the basic aim of US foreign
policy in Korea from the outset has been region control-
not democracy, despite Washington’s claims.
(Hart-Lansberg).

This belief is not just shared by Hart-Lansberg, but many other qualified historians, such as Bruce Cumings, Frank Baldwin, William Blum, and most notably, I.F Stone (Stone’s book The Hidden History of the Korean War published in 1953 was the first Western book to suggest that the Syungman Rhee puppet clique of the United States were the agitators of the Korean War). Millions of students in North America, South Korea and abroad are taught the conventional wisdom put forward by Washington as the only truth. Kim Il Sung, a communist revolutionary anti-Japanese fighter born during Korea’s darkest chapters- during the Japanese occupation, freed the country by force, only to be divided by foreign powers, which then underwent a tragic civil war that cost millions of lives. After the defeat of Japan in WW2, Koreans gained back their sovereignty, and immediately set up the provincial government that was in exile during the Japanese rule, which was supported by all Koreans. This new type of government was considered left, with many social programs. It was proclaimed Korean People’s Republic, and was a genuine, unified government that represented the entire Korean peninsula. America’s official statement for landing in South Korea was to officially accept the surrender of Japan, but their true mission was far greater; secure a US presence in Southern Korea. After the Americans landed in the South, they saw that the existing legit government was a “communist” one. The Americans also drew up an imaginary line along the 38th parallel, which the Soviets agreed to. Amazingly, American planes dropped leaflets ordering the now-free Korean people to respect and follow the Japanese authority which they had defeated just earlier. Shortly after, the Americans set up their own party, called the Korean Democratic Party which was mostly made up of pro-US Koreans, wealthy landowners, and capitalists. The two parties were in direct rivalry, and the KPR was disbanded after the US started unseating all known “communists”. After the short lived KPR was disbanded, anti-Japanese revolutionaries, communists, peasants, and the working class all exiled into the North, where it was still under Soviet influence. The Americans in the South proclaimed the KDP as the one and only legit party of all Korea. By now, the Northern part of Korea was under the leadership of Kim Il Sung, and in the South was Syungman Rhee whom was hand-picked by the US to run South Korea. This was the first step towards the division of Korea, and eventually the civil war. Rhee often touted in newspapers and speeches that he would invade the North by force if approved by the US (Cumings). After the two parties grew larger in power, skirmishes happened on both sides along the 38th parallel, which after a few months, erupted into a full blitzkrieg initiated by Rhee, eager to unify the country by force. For the next 3 years, millions of lives of Koreans, Americans, and Chinese would have been lost in a pointless war, which had no gains for either sides. A peace treaty was never signed, only a cease fire, and the truth suppressed. And even today, after 60 years, Americans are still holding down in the South, ready to cripple the North, but using a very different method than the Korean War.

More info on the origins of the Korean War:
http://bleiersblog.blogspot.com/2007/11 ... korea.html
http://www.naenara.rep.kp/en/periodic/t ... -06+110+36
http://www.brianwillson.com/korea-like- ... by-deceit/
http://tongilkorea.net/2009/09/30/start ... #more-7706
http://www1.korea-np.co.jp/pk/054th_iss ... 080501.htm
http://www.workers.org/ww/2001/tribunal0628.php

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The DPRK yet again makes an ass of themselves. How are the United States supposed to pay $75 trillion without resorting to the printing press and destroying their currency in the process? A frivolous demand from a hermit kingdom and the US would most certainly ignore their pathetic cries for cash to aid their broken economy. The US is broke as well as it struggles to repay the debt the government accrued over the past few years due to the financial bailout.

The DPRK does not expect the US to pay or make any reparations. You are missing the point of the article.

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BTW,do they still call themselves "socialist" or just Juche,whatever?

Officially, they call themselves communists, socialists.
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More on the Korean War:

December 1999
"We slipped a note...under the door into the Pentagon and said, 'Look, let us go up there...and burn down five of the biggest towns in North Korea -- and they're not very big -- and that ought to stop it.' Well, the answer to that was four or five screams -- 'You'll kill a lot of noncombatants!' -- and 'It's too horrible!' Yet over a period of three years or so...we burned down every town in North Korea and South Korea, too....Now, over a period of three years this is palatable, but to kill a few people to stop this from happening -- a lot of people can't stomach it."
--Former U.S. Air Force Chief of Staff Curtis LeMay
"Chiang Kai-Shek and Rhee...feared that peace would be the end of them. Dulles feared that peace would fatally interfere with the plan to rebuild the old Axis powers for a new anti-Soviet crusade...the dominant trend in American political, economic and military thinking was fear of peace. General Van Fleet summed it all up in speaking to a visiting Filipino delegation in January, 1952: 'Korea has been a blessing. There had to be a Korea either here or someplace in the world.' In this simple-minded confession lies the key to the hidden history of the Korean War."
--I. F. Stone, The Hidden History of the Korean War
(New York: Monthly Review Press, 1952)

At the conclusion of World War II, the Soviet Union and the United States occupied previously undivided Korea in order to expel the defeated Japanese who had ruled the entire Peninsula for decades. A temporary demarcation line separating the Russian and U.S. forces was created approximately along the 38th parallel. This line was not intended to create two separate countries. But as the Cold War deepened, both powers insisted that re-unification of North and South be carried out according to their own ideological bias. The U.S. supported an extremely repressive ruler in the South, Syngman Rhee, while the North was led by Kim Il Sung, a fiercely independent man greatly vilified by the West. The two sides increasingly clashed across the parallel for several years. The North Korean government claimed that in 1949 alone, the South Korean army and/or police committed over 2600 armed incursions into the North. Subsequently, documents have suggested that, at a minimum, there were a number of attacks by South Korean forces into the North, and that many, if not all, of the attacks on the South had been reprisals. Syngman Rhee's public pronouncements throughout 1949 and early 1950 consistently spoke of his desire to order his forces to attack the North. Whatever happened on June 25, 1950 remains unclear, but the fighting on that day is considered by some scholars to have been no more than the escalation of an ongoing civil war provoked by the Cold War.

Long before the Korean War broke out in June 1950, there was another civil guerrilla war being waged within parts of the South between Koreans aligning themselves with their American occupiers, and those desiring clear independence from outsiders. Repression by Rhee's security forces against perceived dissenters with the protection of the U.S. presence was systematically brutal. The success of the revolution in next door China in 1949 greatly increased U.S. anxieties and contributed to firm support of the tyrannical, but anti-Communist Rhee. .

The United Nations was not a neutral organization in 1950 any more than it is in 2000. The Security Council's June 27 resolution to defend South Korea was reached with little accurate information and it was clear there was no interest in acquiring such information. The United States exerted great pressure on the other members. The Soviet Union was absent due to its boycott of the UN over refusal to seat Communist China in place of Taiwan. Yugoslavia's request that North Korea be invited to present its perspective was dismissed out of hand. Token military forces from sixteen other countries took part in one way or another which technically enabled the war to be fought by "United Nations" forces. But it was to be an "American" show, a fact finalized on July 7 with a UN Reolution that, in effect, made the United Nations' forces subject to U.S. General Douglas MacArthur without making MacArthur subject to the UN.

The brutal war that developed was fought in defense of the Syngman Rhee regime, not for the benefit of an undivided Peninsula benefitting all Koreans. It continued ruthlessly until an armistice ending the hot war was signed on July 27, 1953. To this date there has been no peace treaty signed, even though talks technically continue at Panmunjom on the northern side of the Demilitarized Zone (DMZ). Officially the U.S. is still at war with North Korea.

Everything we learned about Vietnam had its forerunner in Korea: U.S. support of a corrupt, tyrannical ruler; regular atrocities; mass slaughter of civilians; torture and imprisonment of dissidents not assassinated; cities and many agricultural areas bombed to total destruction; intense and calculated management of the news about the war; and consistent sabotaging of peace talks throughout the war's duration. Earlier suppressed reports of atrocities committed by U.S. ground and air forces were re-affirmed in 1999 by eyewitness accounts of Korean survivors and American military veterans who had been ordered to kill large numbers of civilians, as well as declassified U.S. Air Force documents. In one case some 2,000 Korean civilians were forced into an open mountain area near Yongdong and slaughtered from the air. In other cases hundreds of civilian refugees were blown up as they fled across detonated bridges or machine-gunned as they sought protection under viaducts.

The death and destruction inflicted, especially in the northern part of the Peninsula, defies imagination. It is now believed that more than four million people died in the war, perhaps as many as three million of whom were from the North of a population, at the time, of about nine million.

All major cities, about five dozen, were totally destroyed in the North by U.S. airpower. At the beginning of the war, U.S. General Curtis LeMay asked the Pentagon "to turn SAC [Strategic Air Command] loose with incendiaries" on North Korea. Though Truman rejected such a blitzkrieg, SAC was ultimately authorized to bomb urban and rural areas anyway, "piecemeal." Most villages were destroyed as well, especially if they were "suspected of aiding the enemy." Most dams and dikes were destroyed, wiping out most rice crops. Saturation bombing and scorched earth policies were commonly used throughout the war. U.S. extensively used napalm in Korea long before it became a household word in Vietnam. There is growing evidence to support North Korea's accusations that substantial germ and biological warfare was utilized during 1952 bombings as some U.S. pilots had originally confessed while in captivity. Over a period of about three years, LeMay remarked: "We killed off - what - twenty percent of the population of North Korea." The truth is that the figure may be a staggering one third of its population. In summary, the war wreaked destruction hardly equaled in the worst battles of World War II in Europe. It has left bitter memories.

After the Armisitice was signed in July 1953, a Military Demarcation Line was created continuing to use the 38th Parallel as a general guide. A DMZ exists two kilometers on each side of the Line. The families of some 10,000,000 Koreans have been permanently divided since. In the 1970s the United States constructed a wall across the 150 mile long DMZ, 16.5 feet tall and up to 30 feet wide at its base, bolstered by razor wire and regular gun towers. There has been virtually no mention of this wall in the western press even though it made the Berlin Wall look small in comparison. Nonetheless, reunification has remained a passion among virtually all Korean people. In the past, the South Korean government, supported by the U.S., has vigorously opposed reunification efforts, though that stance has been softening since the first democratically elected government in the South recently came into power. There remain about 37,000 U.S. troops in the South. Until recently the U.S. had an estimated 1,000 nuclear weapons pointed toward the North, even though the latter had no nuclear capability whatsoever. Historically, there have been no religious, ethnic nor other minorities on the Korean Peninsula. Out of its 5,000 year history, the Peninsula has been divided for only the years since 1945.

Washington bears the brunt of responsibility for bringing the Korean War to a close, to replace the 1953 ceasefire with a permanent peace agreement, and to extricate itself, once and for all, from the Korean Peninsula. Then, and only then, can there be hope that the Koreans can once again be rightfully united.

APPENDIX
Important Quotes Revealing Aggressive Intentions of the South Against the North in 1949-50 Prior to the June 25, 1950 Fighting Which Became the Established Date for the Beginning of the "Korean War"

"Attention should be invited to the fact that there is a standing order which states no unit will cross the 38th parallel. I know of only one instance where Army ordered an attack on terrain North of the 38th, this was on Onjin and was for tactical reasons. With very few exceptions, all of our parallel troubles originated in commands subordinate to Army. My counterpart and I are firmly convinced that all attacks on South Korea have been reprisals, and almost all incidents have been agitated by SKSF [South Korean Security Forces]."
--Captain James H. Hausman, U.S. advisor, briefing note
for General Roberts in preparation for his Tuesday,
August 2, 1949 briefing with Division personnel

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"One usually hears that the Army never attacks North Korea and is always getting attacked. This is not true. Mostly our Army is doing the attacking first and we attack harder. Our troops feel stronger."
--Col. Min Ki Sik, Assistant Commandant of the Korean School
of Arms and a graduate of the U.S. Army Infantry School at
Ft. Benning, GA, reported in an August 26, 1949 Memorandum
of Conversation that occurred at an August 25 meeting with
G. Henderson, Third Secretary of the American Embassy, Seoul, Korea

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"I feel strongly that now is the most psychological moment when we should take an aggressive measure...We will drive some of Kim Il Sung's men to the mountain region and...gradually starve them out...We will be in a 100% better position."
--Republic of Korea President Syngman Rhee, September 30, 1949
letter to Dr. Robert Oliver, Penn State University, Pennsylvania

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"On the question of attacking northward, I can see the reasons for it, I think, and sympathize with the feeling that offense is the best and sometimes the only defense. However, it is very evident to us here that any such attack now, or even to talk of such an attack, is to lose American official and public support...The strong feeling...is that we should continue...to avoid any semblance of aggression, and make sure the blame for what happens is upon Russia."
--Dr. Robert Oliver, Penn State University, Pennsylvania,
October 10, 1949 letter to Republic of Korea President Syngman Rhee

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"It was with great care and interest that I read your letter to Dr. Oliver with regard to...the disposal of the puppet regime in the North. The proposals you expounded therein are...the only logical and ultimate method for bringing about our desired unification. However...the time is not opportune as yet...I am sure he [Oliver] cannot publicize such a proposal as our fixed government policy. Nor do I think that it would be wise for him to make public such matters of secret import. I have discussed it with Ambassador Chang and Dr. Oliver and we unanimously agree that this matter should be regarded as the basic plan of our Government that should be carried out when we are ready and the time is opportune."
--Chough, Pyung Ok, Ambassador Plenipotentiary, Personal
Representative of the President of the Republic of Korea and
Permanent Observor to the United Nations, October 12, 1949
letter to Republic of Korea President Syngman Rhee

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"RHEE PREDICTS FORCE TO END KOREAN RIFT," Seoul, Oct. 31 (Associated Press). "Korea's President Syngman Rhee prophesied today force may be necessary to settle the rift between North and South Korea. Standing on the decks of the United States cruiser St. Paul in Inchon harbor, Mr. Rhee told American Navy officers and sailors: 'When we have to settle this thing by war, we will do all the fighting. We are not asking our friends to do our fighting for us...We can't live much longer this way.'"
--Washington Evening Star, October 31, 1949

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"KOREAN ARMY SET FOR WAR," Tokyo, Oct. 31 (United Press). "Sihn Sung Mo, South Korean defense minister, here to see General Douglas MacArthur, said today that his army was ready and waiting to invade Communist-controlled North Korea, but that it had been restrained by American officials. At the same time President Syngman Rhee said in Korea that his government would not much longer tolerate a divided Korea 'and if we have to settle this thing by war, we will do all the fighting needed.'"
--The Washington Post, November 1, 1949

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"...I give you some encouraging news which I have received confidentially from a top level, reliable source in the Pentagon. I am informed that the State Department and the Pentagon are planning a firm stand with respect to the U.S. Oriental policy. In this anti-Communist plan, Korea will occupy an important position...President Truman will sign, very soon, authorization which will grant permission for armament for Korean ships and planes."
--John M. Chang, Korean Ambassador to the United States,
January 11, 1950 letter to Republic of Korea President Syngman Rhee

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"I...transmit herewith copies of the mimeographed listing of military equipment and supplies transferred by the United States Military Group to the Korean Security Forces during February 1950."
--John J. Muccio, United States Ambassador to Republic of Korea,
March 23, 1950 letter to Republic of Korea President Syngman Rhee

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"There is constant fighting between the South Korean Army and bands that infiltrate the country from the North. There are very real battles, involving perhaps one or two thousand men. When you go to this boundary, as I did...you see troop movements, fortifications, and prisoners of war."
--Philip C. Jessup, United States State Department
Ambassador-at-large, April 13, 1950 radio address
reprinted in The Department of State Bulletin, April 24, 1950

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"I...forward herewith two copies of the listing of...military equipment and supplies transferred by KMAG [Korea Military Advisory Group] to the security forces during April 1950."
--John J. Muccio, United States Ambassador to Republic of Korea,
June 5, 1950 letter to Republic of Korea President Syngman Rhee
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why the frag can the usa ask this of cuba and nobody says anything, then north korea asks this from the united states, which probably has the means to pay for it much more than cuba, and people go apeshit. this is of course propaganda but i hate the attitude of people here bashing north korea again.

the pilots of america died because they tried to spy on cuba. why the frag should cuba pay when the aggressor was the united states. on the other hand, the united states is the agressor of north korea, and thus there is much more ground for them to pay.
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Germany didnt ask for money back when they lost, neither should the DPRK, 50 years on.

this is a dumbass example, germany started the war and looted a shitload of arts especially from jews.
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It is insulting to see BEST Korea tarnish the anniversary of recent history's bloodbaths with a demand such as this

it's insulting for you not to care about anything north korea has to suffer just because you disagree with their political system, it sounds as if you blame the war on north korea itself. nobody should ever rise up to challenge capitalism somebody could die, or shit have biological warfare against them and it's clearly their fault. seriously you are blaming the victim and it's pathetic.

what's so wrong with an irrational but probably not exagerated demand for compensation? this is where negociations starts, yet the usa won't give a penny. can south korea ask for reparation from north korea? can north korea ask for reparation for damage caused strictly by south korea?
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germany started the war and looted a shitload of arts especially from jews.

if im not mistaken the KPA crossed the 38th first, certainly not the Americans.
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it's insulting for you not to care about anything north korea has to suffer just because you disagree with their political system, it sounds as if you blame the war on north korea itself. nobody should ever rise up to challenge capitalism somebody could die, or shit have biological warfare against them and it's clearly their fault. seriously you are blaming the victim and it's pathetic.

You do not use historical events in heated political situations to make demands. The fault of war is a guilty burden of all parties involved in the conflict, never once do I say its their fault for having a pair and going after that bastard Rhee.

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what's so wrong with an irrational but probably not exagerated demand for compensation? this is where negociations starts, yet the usa won't give a penny.

The point im making is when youre backed into the international corner by sanctions, dubious friends, 2 angry neighbours you dont respect allied with someone you make outrageous demands to which is bound to make you look like a bigger assclown you don't ask for something like this on an important or near an important anniversary.

This is the exact opposite of how to start negotiations and diplomacy, this is poking an already pissed off bear with a stick.
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can south korea ask for reparation from north korea? can north korea ask for reparation for damage caused strictly by south korea?
Both sides can ask for whatever of the other if they do it in terms that a respectful, diplomatic, and reasonable. Its when you start pulling stunts like this that it becomes uncalled for, rude, and generally pisses people off.
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why the frag can the usa ask this of cuba and nobody says anything, then north korea asks this from the united states, which probably has the means to pay for it much more than cuba, and people go apeshit. this is of course propaganda but i hate the attitude of people here bashing north korea again.


Me too comrade. Me too.

North Korea won't get compensation. Period. But they are justified in seeking it.
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How much money do you suppose The Wonder Kims owe the population of North Korea in damages for letting them starve, thanks to all the money going to Songun? If the USA did give North Korea $75 trillion, how much would reach the people?

Also, does any nation in the world even possess $75 trillion? As I said before, this is simply another idiotic stunt on Kim's part that garners knee-jerk applause from his legions of lick-spittles and dupes.
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The CIA (http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/fac ... os/xx.html) says that gross world product in 2000 was an estimated $43.6 trillion in U.S. dollars.


Looks bad for Best Korea.
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The CIA (http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/fac ... os/xx.html) says that gross world product in 2000 was an estimated $43.6 trillion in U.S. dollars.


Looks bad for Best Korea.

lol yes i didn't know it was that bad. maybe the point is that the usa can never repay north korea for it's crimes?
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The DPRK releases an article like this from time to time.

People are missing the point of the article. The article points out the immense damage the US imperialists have done to the country, as they were the aggressors in the Korean War. Millions of people have died, and it literally knocked the DPRK back into ground zero. Everything had to be built from grounds up, thanks to the horrendous bombing campaigns of the US. The DPRK knows the US will never pay for the damages, and it is the rough figure of the total cost of the Korean War. The US will never compensate, nor will they apologize. $65 trillion is a tremendous amount of damage to the Korean people.

Yet people scoff and laugh at the DPRK for telling the world the cost of the Korean War, and what suffering and damages they have endured. Pathetic.

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How much money do you suppose The Wonder Kims owe the population of North Korea in damages for letting them starve, thanks to all the money going to Songun?

Hilarious accusation. What do you know of Songun? What do you know of the DPRK history? Do you have any evidence that the DPRK is letting the people starve while all the food is going to the army?
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Yet people scoff and laugh at the DPRK for telling the world the cost of the Korean War, and what suffering and damages they have endured. Pathetic.

we're not the ones using historical dates in times of bad political situations to further worsen relations, BEST korea is.
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Do you have any evidence that the DPRK is letting the people starve while all the food is going to the army?

Oh evidence, how I missed your favorite parroted word.
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Yet people scoff and laugh at the DPRK for telling the world the cost of the Korean War, and what suffering and damages they have endured. Pathetic.

You know why?
Because the sum is ridiculous.
Do you know how much money SSSR claimed from ex-Axis countries? Less than 20 billion dollars(let's say that it's 100 billion in today's $)

"After World War II, according to the Potsdam conference held between July 17 and August 2, 1945, Germany was to pay the Allies US$20 billion mainly in machinery, manufacturing plants. Reparations to the Soviet Union stopped in 1953"

"According to the Paris Peace Treaties, 1947, Italy agreed to pay reparations of about US$125 million to Yugoslavia, US$105 million to Greece, US$100 million to the Soviet Union, US$25 million to Ethiopia, and US$5 million to Albania. Finland agreed to pay reparations of US$300 million to the Soviet Union. Hungary agreed to pay reparations of US$200 million to the Soviet Union, US$100 million to Czechoslovakia and Yugoslavia. Romania agreed to pay reparations of US$300 million to the Soviet Union. Bulgaria agreed to pay reparations of $50 million to Greece and $25 million to Yugoslavia. According to the articles of these treaties, the value of US$ was prescribed as 35 US dollars to one troy ounce of pure gold."

How how did they come up with 75 trillion?! How can anyone pay them 65 trillion?
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Yet people scoff and laugh at the DPRK for telling the world the cost of the Korean War, and what suffering and damages they have endured. Pathetic.

My own motherland has been the victim of imperialist aggression by England, Japan, Germany, France, the United States, tsarist Russia, Italy, and the Habsburg Empire of Austria-Hungary all in the 19th and early 20th centuries, not to mention that the US backed the right-wing Nationalist government of Jiang Jieshi, who was pretty much a total jerk, so I sympathize with what the Korean people have endured. Nevertheless, I still think that this is a really tactless way of doing it, and that it really doesn't help win anyone over to their cause.

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Do you have any evidence that the DPRK is letting the people starve while all the food is going to the army?


Um... Only what I've read in the news and academic journals, the former of which you can pretty much find anywhere online, but the latter of which I have no ways of scanning or getting onto this site otherwise. Granted, I take into perspective that those are Western sources with particular biases, and that it is difficult to get access on information on the DPRK, but given how much there has been written on this, even if it has been exaggerated by the West, it's a bit difficult for me to believe that it isn't happening to some extent, especially after the Songun policy of Kim Jong-il took effect.
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"According to the Paris Peace Treaties, 1947, Italy agreed to pay reparations of about US$125 million to Yugoslavia, US$105 million to Greece, US$100 million to the Soviet Union, US$25 million to Ethiopia, and US$5 million to Albania. Finland agreed to pay reparations of US$300 million to the Soviet Union. Hungary agreed to pay reparations of US$200 million to the Soviet Union, US$100 million to Czechoslovakia and Yugoslavia. Romania agreed to pay reparations of US$300 million to the Soviet Union. Bulgaria agreed to pay reparations of $50 million to Greece and $25 million to Yugoslavia. According to the articles of these treaties, the value of US$ was prescribed as 35 US dollars to one troy ounce of pure gold."

How how did they come up with 75 trillion?! How can anyone pay them 65 trillion?

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"After World War II, according to the Potsdam conference held between July 17 and August 2, 1945, Germany was to pay the Allies US$20 billion mainly in machinery, manufacturing plants. Reparations to the Soviet Union stopped in 1953"


they didn't ask for the complete reparation of the damage that germany or italy caused. they wanted SOME reparation. but first they stated how much damage was caused, then they stated how much they wanted to obtain as reparation.

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Um... Only what I've read in the news and academic journals, the former of which you can pretty much find anywhere online, but the latter of which I have no ways of scanning or getting onto this site otherwise. Granted, I take into perspective that those are Western sources with particular biases, and that it is difficult to get access on information on the DPRK, but given how much there has been written on this, even if it has been exaggerated by the West, it's a bit difficult for me to believe that it isn't happening to some extent, especially after the Songun policy of Kim Jong-il took effect.

probably happened to some extent. but hitler and his famous quote of the big lie does apply to this. i have started reading a book about north korea at my local library and i was extremely pissed to find a swear word every goddamn page. everybody knows north korea sucks, but the guy has to be a total dick about it . i've never understood book burning before i read that book. i expected it to be critical of north korea but it was so offensive i stopped reading at the 4th page and skipped to the end where he's feeling GUILTY for leaving his guide behind in north korea.
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so i went home with a book that i thought was critical of israel and france's support. only to realize the book is slightly less offensive but same kind of pro-israel crap stating that at first france was aligned with the arab nation because they wanted oil and sell them weapon, so they behave as businessman and businessman don't care about morality. is that a critic of capitalism? i don't know it sounds just as hilarious as those who claim there is anti-israel bias in the news.
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they didn't ask for the complete reparation of the damage that germany or italy caused. they wanted SOME reparation. but first they stated how much damage was caused, then they stated how much they wanted to obtain as reparation.

OK,exactly HOW MUCH damage was caused,according to the Soviets.
And it doesn't really matter,if Soviet Union asked for partial reparations,why would DPRK ask for full reparations?(Germany at that time was in ruins,but it still was an industrial power,with great potentials in 5-10 years of rebuilding)
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