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Tribute to Erich Honecker.

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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 26 Aug 2006, 13:32
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Post 21 Dec 2006, 16:32
So called "popular" jokes obvisoulsy serve to discredit a person's leadership.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 05 Jul 2004, 01:47
Komsomol
Post 21 Dec 2006, 16:37
Gosh, I guess the GDR must have been a paradise then?
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 26 Aug 2006, 13:32
Komsomol
Post 21 Dec 2006, 16:48
It was a worker's paradise.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 05 Jul 2004, 01:47
Komsomol
Post 21 Dec 2006, 17:21
Furnish proof.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 11 Jun 2006, 07:25
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Post 22 Dec 2006, 04:07
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Furnish proof.

Furnish proof of the contrary.
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Homer: "You guys are commies? Then why am I seeing free markets?"
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 05 Jul 2004, 01:47
Komsomol
Post 22 Dec 2006, 12:32
No country has ever been a 'paradise'. Nice way to avoid my question, by the way. Afraid that the realities of communism may not have quite stood up to your illusions?

So again I say - furnish proof.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 16 Nov 2005, 17:55
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Post 22 Dec 2006, 14:29
Workers' paradise is communism, something which has not been achieved yet. So, I would not classify GDR as a workers' paradise, although arguably it is a paradise relative to how the east has decayed and emptied to the west since 1989.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 26 Aug 2006, 13:32
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Post 22 Dec 2006, 14:47
It was a worker's paradise as the working conditions in the GDR were extremely good compared to the conditions in capitalist countries.
People in the GDR could do their work in peace without having to worry about being fired or getting loan cuts, stay at home when they were ill without the chance of being fired, freely criticise the way the business was run and there was a state of comradeship between worker's instead of the competition there is in capitalist countries.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 28 Nov 2006, 20:19
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Post 22 Dec 2006, 16:33
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furnish proof.

It was safer to work and give birth in the GDR than in the FRG. Der Spiegal admitted this. The GDR also had a 1974 per capita income above that of the UK. Read Socialism With a German Face by Jonathan Steele.

In the realm of culture, the GDR was far beyond the FRG.
Western theatre was dominated by hacks: Kirchner, Heyme, Sagerer, et al. Output was high and creativity was very low. Their shock tactics smack of provincialism and have been the norm in the FRG for now over a half century. It's no surprise that all great German authors, Wolff, et.al. and the last great German playwright, Bertolt Brecht chose to reside in the GDR. Today all of Germany is culturally speaking, a shit-clogged sewer.

Here are just a few recent examples of German theater:

http://www.schlingensief.com/weblog/?p=132

http://www.slate.com/id/2155815

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/a ... ge_id=1770

You can do more research for yourself, plays like these are the norm. This was not the case in the GDR where workers received free passes to the museums, operahouses, and theatres.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 11 Jun 2006, 07:25
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Post 22 Dec 2006, 19:27
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Nice way to avoid my question, by the way.


"Furnish proof" is not a question, by the way.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 16 Dec 2005, 14:24
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Post 22 Dec 2006, 19:54
If life was so great, why did they overthrow the government in the end?
Speak not of revolution until you are willing to eat rats to survive- The Last Poets
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 11 Nov 2006, 18:34
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Post 22 Dec 2006, 19:58
nobody overthrew the goverment it disolved itsself
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 16 Dec 2005, 14:24
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Post 22 Dec 2006, 21:21
It was due to people power: people were on the streets all over East Germany, and flooded to the Wall when it was announced that the border would be opened. There were protests for months before, much like in Czechoslovakia.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 26 Aug 2006, 13:32
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Post 22 Dec 2006, 21:24
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If life was so great, why did they overthrow the government in the end?


If life was so terrible why do so many former citizens of the GDR want it back?
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 16 Dec 2005, 14:24
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Post 22 Dec 2006, 21:36
So many? Do we have any stats on that?
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 27 Jun 2004, 18:18
Komsomol
Post 23 Dec 2006, 01:23
Do a search in the Warsaw pact states section, i have posted them before.
Anyhow I'll search it tommorow, Im a bit tired at the moment. Ill search the German news sites soon, maybe there are some new stats.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 11 Jun 2006, 07:25
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Post 25 Dec 2006, 20:07
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So many? Do we have any stats on that?

Of course, search on google it's very easy to find...

For example, this one come from CNN (and it's a capitalist media...)
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more than 40 percent said they were happier under the communist regime. A majority said they were unhappy with the economic changes.

http://www.cnn.com/WORLD/europe/9911/09/wall.nostalgia/
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 16 Dec 2005, 14:24
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Post 25 Dec 2006, 23:57
Ah. I'm not surprised that there were benefits in the DDR, or that some might have preferred it, but I don't think that outweighs the overthrow of a regime as a measure of which system they prefer.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 11 Jun 2006, 07:25
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Post 02 Jan 2007, 07:51
Unless it's the majority that want it back.
And unless the new oppressive regime is worse than the old one.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 07 Jan 2007, 06:42
Komsomol
Post 13 Jan 2007, 22:39
Yes, this is an excellent tribute to an excellent man. Comrade Red Robespierre has made some excellent videos. Keep up the good work, Comrade.
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