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Post 08 Nov 2005, 05:15
..abolish religion in Albania?
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Post 08 Dec 2005, 18:26
A. Communism is against religion
B. Religion is a potentially divisive factor in Albania
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Post 08 Dec 2005, 22:34
Because he didn't want any Albanians to believe in a higher authority than him.
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Post 28 Jan 2006, 17:38
Bacause of the crimes religious leaders (and their followers) had commited against humanity. Religions, all of them, are against humanity and are responsible for millions if not billios of murders.
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Post 28 Jan 2006, 17:40
Religion of any kind sucks, it only brought war and suffering through history. People slaughtering eachother just because they believed in some other god. If you think about it it's really insane..
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Post 29 Jan 2006, 00:09
True, wise words.
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Post 01 Feb 2006, 00:41
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A. Communism is against religion
B. Religion is a potentially divisive factor in Albania

C. Religion (both Islam and Christianity) was imposed on Albanians by foreign colonial powers

And Enver Hodja never abolished anything. The people did.
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Post 07 Feb 2006, 12:55
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Religion of any kind sucks, it only brought war and suffering through history. People slaughtering eachother just because they believed in some other god. If you think about it it's really insane..


You do realize that you need to determine the stance of religion. It can be extremely reactionary or highly progressive. It could also act to unite the people and rally behind the government. I think you can't easily ban religion. You are actually arming the believers that they should fight against Communism. I want to take note the stance of PKI in 1960s. The Chairman, D. N. Aidit permitted the members to practice religon.
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Post 08 Feb 2006, 01:53
Because he was an Ultra-leftist.
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Post 17 Feb 2006, 22:03
This topic is on the banning of religion in albania but i have anthor qustion why were cars banned for the avrege citizen.
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Post 18 Feb 2006, 01:42
I can't recall anything on cars being banned for the common man
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Cars were illigal for private use.
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Post 21 Mar 2006, 01:48
I have always criticized Enver for this act. It is an act that along with his launching of the Cultural Revolution in Albania proves his dogmatism and in my opinion, opportunism.
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Post 14 Jul 2006, 22:07
Enver had a point in doing so, although it was kind of a hasty act. Marx's said that religion is the opium of the people. Realising that he wanted to rid Albanians from religious chains, but could have done it with a "milder" approach.
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Post 17 Aug 2006, 22:09
I`m Albanian and I know our history.
The main reasons were those what explained Khan-Krum and Khalq.
the leader of the religion institutions during WW2 collaborated with Nazis and Italian fascists.The most of the traitors were the catholics.
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Post 23 Aug 2006, 04:29
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The main reasons were those what explained Khan-Krum and Khalq. the leader of the religion institutions during WW2 collaborated with Nazis and Italian fascists.The most of the traitors were the catholics.


actually pretty damn good reasons...


I know there are a lot of socialist groups at least in the US that are religious tolerant....niether for or against...

I feel this is an uniportant issue that shouldn't be dwelled on in any major movement.....
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Post 04 May 2007, 21:04
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..abolish religion in Albania?


Look at modern India. That should give you some clues right there...

You should remember that many Wahabi elements always tried to penetrate Albanian society. The presence of many Wahabi elements in Kossovo during the NATO bombing campaign proves their intent, during Hoxha's time.

The problem with religion is when it spills over to organized religion which eventually spills over to political religion. During an economic slump, they play populism to sway popular support and more often than not, as a political force- they end up producing some of the most regressive regimes for the locals in the longer run.

The deeper the recession, the more fanatical political religion becomes. Enver Hoxha probably didn't want to deal with this fiasco.

If you look at India, religion & political / organized religion has done nothing but increase animosity between people & divide them. The Ayodhya riots. Gujarat riots. To name just two. You probably know how much this cost us & how much opportunists using religion made use of it.

Hoxha probably didn't have the resources to and/or bother with monitoring organized religion. And you should also remember that many Wahabi elements were actively looking to expand their influence sphere, as an alternative to the USSR.

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I think you can't easily ban religion. You are actually arming the believers that they should fight against Communism.


Other than the selective few influenced by Wahabis, most Albanians as far as I've seen don't seem to give too much importance to religion. As far as their Islamic lineage goes, Albanians are Sufi'ist leaning, which takes a more personal & philosophical approach towards Islam, versus a more societal / objective one. It tends to be very secular in nature. Examples of Sufis in early history (not Albania, though) include Akbar- who banned Islam as India's official religion.

What I'm getting at is, Sufi leaning schools of thought- being secular in nature (ex: women's issues, personal conduct etc) often clash with the more Wahabi leaning ones (mainsteam Islam of the 20th century). Enver Hoxha issued the order and people really didn't bother about it, because SUfi'ist teachings are very secular in nature and don't encourage organized religion or approach it in a very "puratinacal" & objective sort of way- which was the object of Hoxha's ban.

And he didn't want his populus to be influenced by Wahabi thinkings, especially considering many Wahabi monarchs were openly funneling huge sums of money (and still do) worldwide to whoever would take up their cause.

DUring the mass electrification initiative, for example, the last thing you need are a bunch of theocratic uber rightwing nuts blowing up power plants because your government is run by "Godless Communists." Remember- the West cooperated with many pro Wahabi elements till the dismantlement of the USSR. Al-Zawahiri (sp?)- one of the top Al-Q operatives- was living in London at the time he assassinated Sadat.

Banning organized religion would deny potential Wahabi elements in Albania, a source of funding from Saudi. From that POV, you can kind of argue the ban had effect. As a matter of fact, Western tourists & Indian tourists generally say in modern Albania, though religion ban has been lifted, people still prefer secularims and that it didn't have much of a national / social impact at all, within Albania. The majority still chooses secularism, eventhough they may practice Islamic traditions. Ex: MEns' dressings.

ENver Hoxha's ban was clearly directed at organized religion. Sufi teachings encourages oral tradition through poems, sonnets, folklore - etc. On a more "people- people" level. There's no way in hell anyone could've enforced a ban on it and neither did anybody bother trying to. The main target was organized religion.

I'm not too sure, just my thoughts, based on the ground realities & political developments of the world at that time...neither supporting or opposing- just an idea of what might have happened.
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Post 04 May 2007, 22:28
Religion was not abolished in Albania. Firstly you must understand that Albania even during her feudal past was not a very religious country. Under socialism religion began to wither away without much intervention from the state. During the Cultural Revolution the state (and the revolutionary youth, workers and peasants) began to attack religion and demand these dens of lies and parasites that run them be closed down and re-educated respectively. Albania was an atheist state, officially and through the overwhelming majority of the population. Even with capitalist misery the people have not reverted back to religious nonsense. If Albania remained socialist in a couple of decades religion would only be a footnote in a history book in Albania.
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Post 15 Jun 2007, 23:29
Religion is only an issue because socialism is an issue; socialism drew attention to religion, which, as Comrade Jobbyman said, was already dying anyway. But people saw Albania was Communist and were like, "Oh no! Communism is killing religion!" And that's why it's an issue.
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Post 26 Jan 2008, 04:45
Comrade Bourgeois Jobbyman sums it up the best. Albanians were never a religious people and in fact THEY were the ones who initiated the change against religion.


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On 14 May 1966 the youth organisation of the village of Xibrake, in Elbasan district, closed the village mosque. On the following day the youth organisation of village of Mynqan (Cërrik district) did the same. On 10 June the youth of the village of Theth (Dukagjin district) turned the local church into a house of culture. Such actions occurred sporadically during the remainder of 1966. (Arkivi Qendror i Shtetit i RPSSH (Central State Archives of the PSRA), Fondi i Këshillit të Ministrave (Records of the Council of Ministers), 1966, Dossier 470, p. 2).


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The action had consisted of the formation of discussion groups on the falsity and social harmfulness of religion, the putting up of posters, slogans and wall-newspapers directed against religion, the creation of a special corner of the school library devoted to atheist literature, etc. The pupils and teachers had also carried the campaign outside the school into their families, in consequence of which "icon-cases were being turned by the families themselves into first-aid boxes". The campaign was carried into the streets, too. A large-character poster (a term derived from the Chinese "cultural revolution" which was then proceeding) was placed in the shop of a local baker alleged to be selling spells for the cure of mumps (Zëri i Popullit, 8 February 1967, p. 2).



However what must be noted is that comrade Hoxha himself was against forcefully stripping people of religion.

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"It is impossible to fight [against religion - Ed.] to the end, if the communists and the masses are not politically and ideologically clear about the harm of religion. . . .
The Party, like a good doctor, has to make all efforts to cure the sick always in a persuasive, and never in an offensive manner.
. . . The successful development of the struggle against religious beliefs requires us to be careful, since we are dealing with the feelings of the people which, in one way or another, are associated with the religious institutions . . .
Let us be realistic and assess things always politically. For each step forward along the road of struggle against religion, we require the approval of the people and must not infringe their feelings in any way. . . .
The struggle which we have carried out, all the measures we are taking, represent a major qualitative step forward based on the great experience of the Party, on the great work the Party has done until today. . . .
. . . Let us realise that we are not dealing here with campaigns, but with political, ideological questions of the masses, of the people. All these [questions - Ed.] must be better reflected in our press organs, since this work requires extraordinarily great skill.
Our main task is to put greater efforts into making a qualitative leap forward in the education of the communists, the workers and the youth."
Enver Hoxha, "The Problems of the Organs of Internal Affairs Are not Outside the Controll of the Party: Discussion at a Meeting of the Secretariat of the CC of the PLA", 23 February 1967, in Hoxha, E., Vepra, n. 35, Tirana, 1982, pp. 85-8.


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"In this matter [the struggle against religion - Ed.] violence, exaggerated or inflated actions must be condemned. Here it is necessary to use persuasion and only persuasion, political and ideological work, so that the ground is prepared for each concrete action against religion." Enver Hoxha, "The Communists Lead by Means of Example, Sacrifices, Abnegation: Discussion in the Organization of the Party, Sector C, of the 'Enver' Plant", 2 March 1967, in Hoxha, E., Vepra, n. 35, Tirana, 1982, pp. 130-1.




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"We shall not allow the use of administrative measures to eliminate useless religious institutions, customs and beliefs. There is only one road for the solution of these problems: political, ideological work and persuasion. . . . Backward customs and religious beliefs do not disappear suddenly, but gradually, through long and continuous work . . .
. . . In no way must we hurt the feelings of the people over the tower of a minaret which, if it is not destroyed today, will be destroyed next year, when the people have become convinced of the uselessness of religious beliefs."
Enver Hoxha, "In the Struggle against Religious Beliefs there is only One Road - Political, Ideological Work, Persuasion: From a Talk with the First Secretary of the Party Committee in the Dibra District," 7 April 1967, in Hoxha, E., Vepra, n. 35, Tirana, 1982, p. 226.



Also what must be stressed is that Pro-Hoxha Marxist-Leninists should not be stereotyped as being against religion. Although I am an atheist I recognize the American proletariat is religious and has beliefs just as comrade Hoxha I want to struggle against religion through dialogue.

Comrade Lenin had this to say about religion:

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"We demand that religion be held a private affair so far as the state is concerned. . . . Complete separation of Church and State is what the socialist proletariat demands of the modern state and the modern church."
V. I. Lenin, "Socialism and Religion", in V.I. Lenin, Collected Works, Vol. 10, Moscow, 1962, p. 84-5
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