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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 23 Jul 2012, 12:30
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Post 27 Nov 2012, 22:51
Before I start I would like to convey my love for the Chinese. I am actually learning mandarin and the Chinese are an inspiration to me. On to the subject at hand. I saw a few videos on youtube about the presence of China in Africa and I think Africa could benefit from the relationship in the long term if the corrupt governments weren't in power. Africa could learn a lot from the Chinese in order to utilize it's resources. China has a lot of history and culture and therefore is very experienced when it comes to foreign affairs. The Chinese have a saying the goes something like "give before you take because it makes the taking that much easier". This is very important when it comes to China - Africa relations.

China provides the workers and the materials to build structures in Africa. In exchange China gets access to Africa's resources. To some this may seem like a fair trade. But I see it differently. Firstly since China provides the workers and materials, it's basically loosing nothing because the workers send their wages back to China. The cheap resources China gets are used to make products to be sold in Africa and the rest of the world. Once again the huge profits go back to China. In essence China is trading labour for resources and potential consumers. From this one can see how unbalanced this is.

The long term effects is that once China decides to leave Africa, their structures would not be maintained. After a while these structures would fall apart and be unusable. As you can see this will end the same way the European developments did in Africa. However there is still a way to brake this cycle. Africans must take control of their land which has been subjected to generations of colonialism and turmoil. Saharan Africa is already lost to the Arabs. Sub-Saharan Africa must first be properly claimed before any attempts are made to reclaim Saharan-Africa. Call me a mad man but I believe there is a way of uniting the fragmented and highly tribal African continent for a single cause. Just like China was united by the communists, I think Africa can also be united by something similar. The slightest news of communism in Africa would draw the attention of all the imperialist nations who's interests would be in danger. Most likely than not the flames of communism would be extinguished before they can grow into a raging inferno. Socialism on the other hand is not so tainted. An African Socialist Union is possible through means other than war and conquest. What is required is a single country in Africa to establish a healthy socialist system for the people of it's neighbours to realise socialism is a viable means to escape a life of imperialist servitude.

China could prove to be a very good ally indeed. China's thirst for resources could be used to establish a socialist republic. But I fear this might trigger a cold war like atmosphere. Or even worse. It is however possible for a socialist party to be elected by the people if they can show that socialism can work if properly implemented. Anyways the conclusion to this is Africans must gain skills and knowledge from China rather than infrastructure. With knowledge and skills one is able to accomplish great feats of engineering on their own. Until next time comrades...
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Post 28 Nov 2012, 00:03
Paragraphs are your friend.


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China has a lot of history and culture and therefore is very experienced when it comes to foreign affairs.


Africa has a lot of history and culture.

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China provides the workers and the materials to build structures in Africa. In exchange China gets access to Africa's resources. To some this may seem like a fair trade. But I see it differently. Firstly since China provides the workers and materials, it's basically loosing nothing because the workers send their wages back to China. The cheap resources China gets are used to make products to be sold in Africa and the rest of the world.


It's straightforward imperialism. The utilisation of foreign capital in order to generate surplus-value. As a result of this economic influence, China also gains political influence. Also, if the Africans aren't employed by the Chinese then where do they earn the money with which the buy the goods the Chinese are to sell them?

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Africans must take control of their land which has been subjected to generations of colonialism and turmoil.


I would say their domestic bourgeoisie needs to get richer and more independent from foreign capital.

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Saharan Africa is already lost to the Arabs. Sub-Saharan Africa must first be properly claimed before any attempts are made to reclaim Saharan-Africa.


Oh dear. Quasi-racist crap like this is not the answer.

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Call me a mad man but I believe there is a way of uniting the fragmented and highly tribal African continent for a single cause.


You're mad. Pan-Africanism is a silly idea.

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An African Socialist Union is possible through means other than war and conquest. What is required is a single country in Africa to establish a healthy socialist system for the people of it's neighbours to realise socialism is a viable means to escape a life of imperialist servitude.


Africa needs to develop its capitalism before it can think about socialism.

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Anyways the conclusion to this is Africans must gain skills and knowledge from China rather than infrastructure. With knowledge and skills one is able to accomplish great feats of engineering on their own. Until next time comrades...


You seem to have come up with a rambling train of thought rather than a well-thought-out argument. I would argue that Africa ultimately does benefit from all imperialism (Chinese and non-Chinese) to a certain extent because they provide capital and knowledge. However, it is important that the imperialists utilise African labour as this provides Africans with money as well a means by which to wage a class struggle against their imperialist bosses. It also allows for more and more Africans to rise into the ranks of the African bourgeoisie which can then provide a domestic alternative to foreign imperialism as a source of capital. One of the best ways to do this is through the development of manufacturing. Africa at the moment is mainly utilised for its natural resources which don't require huge numbers of workers compared with mass manufacturing. Africans need to make the transition from a source of primary industry to a source of secondary industry.
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Post 28 Nov 2012, 07:38
I appreciate the constructive criticism. I do agree Africa does need to utilize its resources by acquiring the means of producing good. Perhaps capitalism is the first stage to socialism. It's nice to have a place where you can write what you think and be able to refine your ideas from the criticism of others. There is however one thing that is certain and that is the current corrupt politicians must be replaced with individuals capable of first developing capitalism in Africa. I actually see the logic in first using capitalism to reach socialism and I think Marx stated something similar to be the right conditions for socialism to develop. I look forward to more constructive criticism.


Concerning the Arabs in North Africa, They didn't really bother me, but during the Libyan Civil wars there were news of innocent black Africans getting killed by the Arabs in their own continent because the Arabs say they are mercenaries. Something similar has been happening in Sudan for much longer. But one cannot deny the fact that north Africa was colonised during the islamic conquest and it's people forced into islam. My whole family is islamic except me. They always use god and witchcraft to explain some natural phenomenon instead of science. Anyways I don't have an immediate problem with Arabs in north Africa. And based on your criticism I think my immediate focus needs to be on my own country rather than the African continent.
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Post 28 Nov 2012, 07:54
Actually this isn't a bad thread.
It's interesting how even when building roads and such in for example Angola the Chinese companies use imported Chinese labor instead of hiring domestic workforce.
What's for sure is that the exploitation of Africa and its people is going to intensify, but we have to wait and see what will come of that.
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Post 28 Nov 2012, 08:03
Loz wrote:
Actually this isn't a bad thread.
It's interesting how even when building roads and such in for example Angola the Chinese companies use imported Chinese labor instead of hiring domestic workforce.
What's for sure is that the exploitation of Africa and its people is going to intensify, but we have to wait and see what will come of that.

waiting only plunges Africa further and further into inescapable poverty. African countries are the only rich yet very poor countries and the Africans use islamic nonsense to blame their problems on god.
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Post 28 Nov 2012, 08:31
At the risk of being very simplistic, many regions in Africa have very badly developed capitalism. In this context, Chinese development will hopefully help improve conditions, and general investment, but it must eventually be seized by local forces, if it is to continue developing.
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Post 28 Nov 2012, 08:38
runequester wrote:
At the risk of being very simplistic, many regions in Africa have very badly developed capitalism. In this context, Chinese development will hopefully help improve conditions, and general investment, but it must eventually be seized by local forces, if it is to continue developing.

I agree.
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Post 31 Jan 2013, 02:14
China's technology transfer on agricultural science can help them a lot although Israel is the number 1 authority in it. There would be no harm in trying to welcome China as a friend of African nations. The laws on obligations and contracts would be a hindrance to any sinister motives of China. One reason why China is welcome to buy oil companies here in Canada.
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