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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 07 Jan 2007, 06:42
Komsomol
Post 13 Mar 2008, 22:31
Thanks, Oblisk.

Khrushchev also opposed any Chinese nuclear programs, which didn't help his popularity in the East.

Krushchev personally was a great example of political realism; he did what he had to do to get closer to maximizing his own political power. This is dangerous behavior in a socialist state, where the Party is supposed to be the directing force towards the achievement of socialism - not the personal political objectives of one man. Hence, Khrushchev was indeed a traitor and an opportunist.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 30 Nov 2007, 08:37
Unperson
Post 14 Mar 2008, 03:59
He was first of all a complete moron. We are talking about the person who had corn planted past the Arctic circle.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 07 Jan 2007, 06:42
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Post 14 Mar 2008, 04:41
Nobody said he was a genius; though his peasant background should have told him that idea would've been a bust. Besides, to be an opportunist you just need to follow someone else's model with your own agenda. He was by no means the mastermind schemer or Shakespearian Iago that he is sometimes credited as.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 30 Nov 2007, 08:37
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Post 14 Mar 2008, 08:34
There's a shorter way of saying it. He was a moron. Not only did he screw up the Red Army in terms of modernization and weapon development, he f*cked Soviet agriculture and industry. On top of that he screwed up internationally.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 24 Dec 2005, 23:28
Komsomol
Post 16 Mar 2008, 02:21
Unlike Lenin and Stalin, he was not an able theoretician of Marxism-Leninism, and therefore did not have the same grip on historical processes within the USSR to take correct decisions... It of course didn't matter that much, but did create a small degree of reaction to historical progression.

What did matter though is that reaction grew (it wasn't specifically Hrushev's fault of course) and grew to a climax that was at the end of perestroika.
In a sense, the reaction produced during Hrushev was the beginning point of arch-reaction, that led to restoration of feudalism in Russia.

Of course as marxists you must know that the role of personality in history is zero; applying this to the given case, it wasn't Hrushev who personally produced reaction, but there were reactionary processes occurring due to several historical conditions of the time, which gave rise to Hrushev (since his policies were compatible with these processes).
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 19 Apr 2008, 03:25
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Post 14 May 2008, 00:31
Khrushchev did some good things such as sending the first man into space, and stopping the Hungarian Revolution. But I view him as somewhat of a weak leader. He got completely burned on the Cuban Missile Crisis deal.
Once capitalists know we can release the Kraken, they'll back down and obey our demands for sure.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 30 Nov 2007, 08:37
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Post 14 May 2008, 07:44
Sending the first man into space was not Khruschev, if you want to give someone credit, give Korolyov credit for it. Stopping the Hungarian revolution would have been done by any leader. It was a violent neo-fascist uprising.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 13 Feb 2008, 15:25
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Post 14 May 2008, 13:21
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Sending the first man into space was not Khruschev, if you want to give someone credit, give Korolyov credit for it.


This is true. From what I understand, Korolyov had to work pretty hard to convince Khruschev to give the go ahead.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 28 Apr 2005, 19:00
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Post 19 May 2008, 22:40
To Russianlord

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Stopping the Hungarian revolution would have been done by any leader. It was a violent neo-fascist uprising.


Jesus! Kruchev wasn't Hungarian leader - Your way of thinking shows, how You do think about Hungary and it's "freedom". Kruchev as the leader of Russia stops the freedomfight in foreign country. It wasn't connected to fascism or neo-fascism at all - it was pure freedomfight as it was in Prague 1968. As much as I understand - all which is against Russia or russain mind is called fascism or neo-fascism by russians.
Fascism by russians is not at all the same what Europe understands by term "fascism" (italian or sometimes Nazi-German ideology).

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...if you want to give someone credit, give Korolyov credit for it.


Korolyov was only figurehead and true pupil of German rocket scientists who were deported to Russia after WW2. Over 1400 scientists and rocket specialists were deported to Russia with their families in 1945-1949. The famous Sputnik or Laika rockets were derived from originals of German rocketspecialists leaded by German scientist Helmut Gröttrup. For example - famous German rocket V-2 was in weaponry of USSR until middle of sixties after some minor adjustments called R-1 (original oxidizer ethanol was switched to other chemicals because soldiers drunk it off)

Look also
http://www.russianspaceweb.com/rockets_german_legacy.html
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 30 Nov 2007, 08:37
Unperson
Post 20 May 2008, 00:07
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Jesus! Kruchev wasn't Hungarian leader - Your way of thinking shows, how You do think about Hungary and it's "freedom". Kruchev as the leader of Russia stops the freedomfight in foreign country. It wasn't connected to fascism or neo-fascism at all - it was pure freedomfight as it was in Prague 1968. As much as I understand - all which is against Russia or russain mind is called fascism or neo-fascism by russians.
Fascism by russians is not at all the same what Europe understands by term "fascism" (italian or sometimes Nazi-German ideology).


Please explain to me why ex-German Army officers, and figures of the NSDAP were rushed into Hungary by the west to coordinate and support the rebellion? Please explain the public executions and brutal murders that took place during the rebellion? Please explain to me what happened to the wives of Soviet officers who were in the city (mind you they're civilians). Or better yet explain the murders of communist sympathizers, lynchings, and other examples of both mob and organized killings. Then talk to me about Hungarian freedom.

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Korolyov was only figurehead and true pupil of German rocket scientists who were deported to Russia after WW2. Over 1400 scientists and rocket specialists were deported to Russia with their families in 1945-1949. The famous Sputnik or Laika rockets were derived from originals of German rocketspecialists leaded by German scientist Helmut Gröttrup. For example - famous German rocket V-2 was in weaponry of USSR until middle of sixties after some minor adjustments called R-1 (original oxidizer ethanol was switched to other chemicals because soldiers drunk it off)


No doubt that much was borrowed from Germany, but to organized the labor, to adopt much of the technology, smoothly integrating it with Soviet technology, and much else, required both administrative and engineering efforts that were directed primarily by Korolyov. Naturally a whole KB worked under him. The main point is that Khruschev had next to nothing to do with it.
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