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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 10 Oct 2007, 15:55
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Post 14 Apr 2008, 19:21
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It could be argued that Gorbachev was merely helping the invietable.

Gorbachev could be viewed as a person who hated the world and wanted to the oppress the people of the USSR. Look at the people who were party secretaries of the republics under him. Nursultan Nazarbayev, Saparmurat Niyazov, Islom Karimov, etc.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 19 Apr 2008, 03:25
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Post 21 Apr 2008, 04:18
As evil as Stalin might have been, I would say he was the best Soviet leader. He basically created the Soviet Union as we knew it to be. And let us not forget the work he did in World War II to bring the Soviets to victory.
Once capitalists know we can release the Kraken, they'll back down and obey our demands for sure.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 20 Apr 2008, 07:53
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Post 21 Apr 2008, 10:42
long live stalin.

stalin is the greaest socialist leader ever.

only second to lenin.

i don't know about marx.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 13 Feb 2008, 15:25
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Post 21 Apr 2008, 10:53
Marx never lead a nation. His greatness was the role he played in developing the theory behind Socialism and Communism.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 20 Apr 2008, 07:53
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Post 21 Apr 2008, 11:52
Marx was still a leader of international socialism. he has led us communists through his works.
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Post 21 Apr 2008, 17:29
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Um.. Bingo. If a Hardliner like Stalin was to replace Stalin, or had Stalin chose his successor, there wouldn't have been a Khrushchev, Brezhnev, or Gorbachev to mess things up.


While I certainly agree had a hard-liner actually taken power after Stalin then the disgrace of the 60's onwards might have been avoided; nonetheless, there is a chance had Stalin actually chosen a successor it very well might have been Khruschev - after all, when Stalin was alive Khruschev was a very different person. He climbed the ranks of the party rather quickly, and even had the endorsement of many other Politburo members but most notably Lazar Kaganovich. Nobody during Stalin's lifetime would've predicted Khruschev would have been the liberalizer he was in the 50's and early 60's. He was an opportunistic toad; capable of being a hard-liner when he needed to portray himself as such.
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Post 22 Apr 2008, 07:46
Khruschev should have been overthrown by the PolitBuro or by the Central Committee of the great CPSU.
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Post 22 Apr 2008, 09:51
He was........
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Post 22 Apr 2008, 10:14
a evil idiot who had no guts to take on America in 1961
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Post 22 Apr 2008, 14:29
Then Cuba probably would've been incinerated along with Western Europe and the United States. They would've killed not only the bourgeoise but the proletariat too.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 19 Apr 2008, 03:25
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Post 22 Apr 2008, 17:38
I forgot to mention that Stalin also modernized The USSR to become an industrial nation, and eventually hold the largest army in Europe.
Once capitalists know we can release the Kraken, they'll back down and obey our demands for sure.
_Comrade Gulper
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 15 Apr 2008, 14:15
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Post 23 Apr 2008, 01:04
AustralianProletarian,

Khruschev engaging in nuclear brinkmanship is not what I would term not having the 'guts to take on America in 1961'.
Thankfully both sides allowed cooler heads to prevail.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 19 Apr 2008, 03:25
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Post 23 Apr 2008, 03:01
Just a minor technicality but The Cuban Missile Crisis was actually 1962.
Once capitalists know we can release the Kraken, they'll back down and obey our demands for sure.
_Comrade Gulper
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 26 Jun 2006, 02:51
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Post 23 Apr 2008, 03:07
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ntcommie: Perhaps, but introducing radical reforms in a time of economic instability is not generally a smart idea.


Actually that's kind of when you need to do it the most.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 07 Jan 2007, 06:42
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Post 23 Apr 2008, 05:09
It may seem that the logical answer is radical reform in times of economic instability; however, politically this may be unsound. Economic instability often times invokes political instability. The state has a lot to lose when making drastic reforms that could alter the arrangement for the distribution of economic means that could potentially fuel the crisis rather than relieve it. That's why most states act conservatively when reacting to economic crisis. The first step to resolving economic problems is to first analyze, then utilize the data to identify and isolate the weak point most responsible. Radical reform should only be reverted to on the verge of political and economic decay as a last ditch attempt at preserving the status quo.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 20 Apr 2008, 07:53
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Post 23 Apr 2008, 07:05
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Economic instability often times invokes political instability


Just look at Germany in 1933.

It will be the same around the world after the economy collapses because there is to much debt.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 26 Apr 2008, 23:22
Komsomol
Post 27 Apr 2008, 21:13
Obviousely Lenin for many reasons

1) He Made Communism a reality
2) He looked super cool

3) Super Name as well
4) Have i mentioned he looked cool?


He was super
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 09 Apr 2008, 15:00
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Post 27 Apr 2008, 21:16
You do know that his "real" name was Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov?
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Post 27 Apr 2008, 21:25
There are a lot of Communist rulers who don't use their real names. Josef Stalin, Kim Il-Sung, Kim Jong-Il, Ho Chi Minh, there are probably more but...
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 26 Apr 2008, 23:22
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Post 27 Apr 2008, 21:26
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You do know that his "real" name was Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov?


Yes i was refering to both actually. Which makes him better, he has 2 super awesome names. TWO!!
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