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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 11 Nov 2009, 07:13 Ideology: Other Leftist Politburo
Well, the conspirators are going to go insane over this. Wasn't one of the reasons for America's return to prove the legitimacy of the moon landing by filming the flag, footprints, etc?
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Now this clearly shows there is no reason to go to the moon except for propaganda reasons, and that is why probably China is going to the moon, to show to the world they are now the number 1 superpower!
No they're not.
PRC is still only 1/3 of USA economy. And their army is not something special,too.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 28 Feb 2009, 03:41 Party Member Quote: you mean the profit motive isn't perfect? you mean the public system might be more efficient in some case? blasted libertarians, they lied to me all that time!
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Quote: True, they are not yet. But the moonlanding supposedly do not occur before 2020 or even later. By that time, the US economy probably decreased while China's economy probably doubled.
Will this moon project ever come into fruition? NASA has delayed it year after year and if they don't seriously invest in space technology, they would be overtaken by China and it will be their loss.
This reminds me of a weird dream I had last night. You know that orbiter that they're sending to Pluto; New Horizons? I had a dream it landed in my room and totally ruined that mission and I got in a lot of trouble, which was a bunch of bullshit because it wasn't like I tried to get the orbiter here or anything. Losers!
All moon landing conspiracies aside, isn't it a good thing that the money is being re-directed for something more useful? Maybe we'll find something totally awesome and learn how to send everyone to Mars since Earth is going to be uninhabitable in .. a long time, but still? Maybe in trying to find better rocket fuel, they'll find better domestic vehicle fuel! Optimistic, stupid, but possible maybe!
The United States has been to the moon enough times already. After the first landing they went back a number of times, installing reflectors on those trips to prove to people they went there. It's much more useful for the US to try and find a way to go to Mars imo.
The problem I have though is Obama has embarked on a plan to privatize parts of NASA, or contract out some of it to private developers. Science is getting pushed further back.
The plans are to commercialize space by creating 'cheap' means of transport and stay in low-earth-orbit.
Quote: The whole China scare is a load of tripe. They have an economy that is just ahead of Japan by the SLIGHTEST of margins. In terms of total economic weight the USA is 3 times that size. And, even adjusted for purchasing power parity the Chinese citizen per capita is quite poor by USA standards. Per capita the average USA citizen has over six times as much money. Also, let China get to the moon. We did it decades ago. Let them have fun being 40 years late to the party. Wonder Kim Powers Unite!
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 15 Nov 2010, 16:48 Ideology: Marxism-Leninism Komsomol Quote: The Cost of commodities are much much higher in the US than in China, therefore the idea of six times more doesn't mean anything Quote: I was thinking the same thing, wasn't the space race years ago? Why is china even trying to set up a space program ![]() In the Soviet Union you destroy free-market, In America free-market destroys you
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 15 Nov 2010, 16:48 Ideology: Marxism-Leninism Komsomol Quote: The Cost of commodities are much much higher in the US than in China, therefore the idea of six times more doesn't mean anything Quote: I was thinking the same thing, wasn't the space race years ago? Why is china even trying to set up a space program ![]() In the Soviet Union you destroy free-market, In America free-market destroys you
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 12 May 2010, 07:43 Ideology: Other Leftist Politburo Quote: You don't have to have competition between two superpowers or some ideological struggle or whatever. I mean, Russia still has a space program going, and the European Union is working on something too. The Space Race between the US and the USSR being over doesn't mean other countries won't try to develop space programs of their own for the purposes of scientific research, technological advancement, or even national pride. China is simply trying to stay in the game and not end up falling behind or becoming dependent, and in fact, it has been developing its own "space program" in a sense for decades, but mostly for satellites (there's communications, and then there's "communications") and not about putting people on the moon. That, and the Chinese have to constantly deal with condescending attitudes like these Cootie wrote: You know, attitudes like this is why Americans (and I do consider myself one, by virtue of living here as a permanent resident and seeking US citizenship) get a bad rep around the world, and also why a lot of Chinese immigrants to the US feel ill-at-ease. Also, maybe if the West and Japan hadn't been so intent on fragging China over for well over a century, the Chinese could have been in on the party at around the same time. “Conservatism is the blind and fear-filled worship of dead radicals” - Mark Twain
^ Komissar, I disagree. I don't think nationalism can coexist with space exploration. Think about it: a human has been to the moon. Many times. There's no need to rehash the experiment, it's been done plenty of times and plenty of resources and time have been wasted on achieving that milestone, over and over. Now there are practical applications for orbital manned space-missions, and the US has cooperated with the Russian government so that they're not working on the same thing, since the Russians already have dudes up there.
There's no real reason for China to want to get in on this game. If anything, the whole world or G20 can come together and try to do the whole space flight thing. The symbolic victory over the moon has been won, for humans.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 15 Nov 2010, 16:48 Ideology: Marxism-Leninism Komsomol Quote: maybe they could send a cat or something like that what a waste of money ![]() In the Soviet Union you destroy free-market, In America free-market destroys you Quote: Now, that doesn't sound like a bad idea. All the Great Powers of the world going up in space together for some kind of peace show. They could put a UN flag up on the moon right next to the American one and make a big sappy television event about it. Wonder Kim Powers Unite!
The moon? Did you not get the point of my post? The moon is done, it's over. It's a rock, we went on the rock and saw it. Now there's no reason for us to go back there with the technology that we have.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 13 Feb 2008, 15:25 Ideology: Other Leftist Politburo Cootie wrote: Have a think about this for a moment. The technology the US used to get men to the moon was scrapped more than 30 years ago in favour of the space shuttle (which has proven to be a gigantic flop btw). This means that capability no longer exists and NASA will have to start developing it again pretty much from scratch. The Chinese may be 40 years behind in achievement but they aren't 40 years behind in capability. In this way, China is catching up to and is in some respects ahead of the US. Yes, their current space technology is based off Russian designs, but keep in mind that NASA needed to ask the Russians for help in developing adequate life support systems for the international space station among other things the station couldn't be in orbit today without. I wouldn't be surprised if the first people to set foot on Mars will be carrying the flag of the PRC. |
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