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Why didn't the Soviets put a man on the moon?

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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 11 Nov 2009, 07:13
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Post 04 Jan 2010, 06:32
Was it only because America did it first?
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 28 Sep 2009, 00:56
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Post 04 Jan 2010, 13:37
To my knowledge, it was because Brezhnev had scrapped the Soviet space project by then
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Post 04 Jan 2010, 14:06
The incentive was probably lost once the Americans got there first.

I wonder how long the space programme could've continued anyway, with the progression of the stagnation.

Also see: viewtopic.php?f=127&t=33266
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 13 Feb 2008, 15:25
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Post 05 Jan 2010, 05:12
The Soviet's never scrapped their space programme. They were always expanding it and their achievements until the Union Collapsed. There were two things which stopped them from reaching the moon first. 1) they were having technical issues with the rocket which was to take Cosmonauts to the moon and 2) they didn't want to start the mission until they were sure the men sent could be returned safely. The Americans took a huge risk in sending Apollo 11 when they did. The technology was unsafe and would never be considered acceptable for use today. Apollo 13 oir worse could easily have happened earlier. Indeed, the Soviet were hoping it would in order the buy them more time.

I am presently typing a (long) chapter from a book which briefly illustrates the state of the Soviet space programme in the 1980's and what was planned for it into the future.
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Post 05 Jan 2010, 13:43
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I am presently typing a (long) chapter from a book which briefly illustrates the state of the Soviet space programme in the 1980's and what was planned for it into the future.


Do you mean to put up on here? As I'd be interested in reading it.
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Post 06 Jan 2010, 07:03
That's my plan. It's going to be a very long post though.
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Post 10 Dec 2010, 12:07
The main reason was probably space radiation. Here's some stuff I've collected on the subject. It's the same info that's on the moon hoax thread that I started.

http://www.geocities.com/apollotruth/
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There is an old saying that "A liar needs a good memory". Nowhere is this more true than in the Apollo program. NASA tell lies to cover up previous lies, and other discrepancies uncovered by people investigating the Moon landings. Altering previous data, removing photographs, and retracting statements made, only re-enforces the evidence that NASA are on the run, and being forced into a corner to which they cannot escape. The actions of those under investigation makes the investigator more aware they are bluffing. The longer that person, or persons, who make the extravagant claims continue, the more lies they have to tell in order to counteract it, until it reaches the point where it becomes ridiculous. That point was passed in July 1999, when NASA officials were questioned about the Moon landings on television. They dodged the all important questions like a drifter dodges the heat.
Many Apollo astronauts have long since died, as to have many of the original NASA officials involved in the scam, consequently current officials, who know that Apollo was a fake, have not quite got it right when talking openly in public. Perhaps the biggest slip of the tongue was made by NASA Chief Dan Goldin when interviewed by UK TV journalist Sheena McDonald in 1994. He said that mankind cannot venture beyond Earth orbit, 250 miles into space, until they can find a way to overcome the dangers of cosmic radiation. He must have forgot that they supposedly sent 27 astronauts 250,000 miles outside Earth orbit 36 years earlier.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vENebR5hsRs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZ65d30kYME

two sets of radiation data
http://hey_223.tripod.com/bulldoglebeau ... /id82.html
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To prove his thesis, Rene tries to get certain solar data from NATIONAL
OCEANIC & ATMOSPHERIC ADMINISTRATION, (NOAA) using clever techniques
to
disguise his true intentions, [i.e. to get true data on solar flares.] NOAA,
unfortunately, proved to be as cagey as Rene in dodging the giving out of any
really good DETAILS on this matter, [you know, where the devil resides.]
Rene, seeing games being played, deduced that there must be two sets of data,
one which is sent to scientists on the preferred list, and one sent to the
likes of Rene as casual strangers. (p.125)
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http://ocii.com/~dpwozney/apollo5.htm
http://www.erichufschmid.net/MoreInfoFo ... lenge.html
http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index ... &hl=apollo

These two are important
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http://www.buzzcreek.com/grade-a/MOON/articles1.htm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2rotplZn0g
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKB5u_VTt6M
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pcytzf7PkRA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J6DhY1NvmIc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T1ltWMbHdDU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mnckudD9oa8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LiTzo3G_hvo
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFiIR7hA1rM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=toI1Xw9paW4
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9xlKooAbKpM
(23 parts)
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 16 Aug 2010, 14:35
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Post 19 Feb 2011, 21:53
They didn't because they did not succeed in doings so, most notably because of the problems with their launch vehicle, the N1.

After 4 unsuccesfull attempts, they just gave up and instead tried robotic missions for sample returns.

But they did try.

The reason why this was such a failure was as I understand it because the whole Soviet moon project was given too little priority.
The Soviets had better rockets as were used for the N1, but they could not use if for political reasons.

If the Soviets had put enough priority in performing a moon mission, it could have been succesfull, I think.
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Post 19 Feb 2011, 23:51
I think part of the reason was because there wasn't really any point to it. I mean if you think about it man was much further along in space exploration 40 years ago than we are today. And I think it's because with everything going on in the world space exploration doesn't really matter much.
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