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Buran's back in the race??

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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 12 Jun 2006, 02:14
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Post 15 Nov 2008, 21:54
I read this news today. It's all about projects, but it would be great to bring that brillant piece of soviet engineering back into space.

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Soviet space shuttle could bail out NASA
The Soviet-era Buran space programme, mothballed 20 years ago, may be revived. With NASA about to retire its ageing fleet of space shuttles, there is a pressing need for viable space transport.

Two decades ago the Soviet space shuttle Buran blasted off on its first and only orbital flight. Just a few years later, with the collapse of the Soviet Union, the programme was shelved.

The Buran was the Soviet Union's answer to NASA’s space shuttle programme. On November 15, 1988, the shuttle was propelled out of the Earth’s atmosphere by the specially designed Energia booster rocket from the Baikonur launch pad in Kazakhstan.

Pavel Sharov from Cosmonauts News Magazine explains the advantages the Soviets had over their rivals in the U.S.

“The USSR surpassed the Americans in technology - U.S. shuttles can only be landed by humans, while the Buran lands automatically,” Sharov said.

Magomet Talboev was one of the pilots who test-flew the shuttle without going into orbit. He said the Soviet authorities had high hopes for the multi-billion dollar spacecraft.

“The Energia-Buran programme was started to get the capability to attack the United States, just like the shuttle was able to attack the USSR. We also wanted to take the Skylab space station from orbit. Buran was supposed to put it in its cargo bay and deliver it back to Earth for studies,” Tolboev said.

But the project was scrapped before these plans could be fulfilled. They sank aalong with the Soviet regime. The Energia-Buran became one of the Soviet Union's last super-projects. Billions of dollars were invested and more than a 1.5 million people worked to design and build it. Nevertheless, the Buran went into orbit only once before the collapse of the Soviet Union.

After nearly a decade in a hangar, the only Buran that went into space was destroyed when a roof collapsed at Baikonur launch facility in 2002.

Although the Buran project ended prematurely, not all the ideas from it were left buried. Some of the technologies developed at the time are now used in everyday life. Fore example, several heat-resistant materials used to make deep-fryers are a direct result of the research done during Buran's development.

Buran technologies may make an unexpected return to the space industry as well.

Because NASA will soon retire its ageing space shuttle fleet, some American and Russian scientists are beginning to think of ways to revive the Buran programme.

It may be more economical than developing an entirely new spacecraft from scratch.


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Post 26 Dec 2008, 02:23
Watch, NASA will soon "develop" the Buran program, and take full credit for this feat of Soviet engineering which was more advanced thatn anything NASA had at the time.
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Post 26 Dec 2008, 16:34
How ironic would that be? The US is relying on old Soviet materials after they fought them for 50 or so years.
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Post 26 Dec 2008, 17:16
Quite ironic indeed.
Of course they won't tell anybody it's Soviet work, it'll be a "new NASA development".

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Post 26 Dec 2008, 19:16
But if we know that it's Soviet material from the article that Che found wouldn't others find out?
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Post 26 Dec 2008, 20:53
no, the vast brainwashed majority would be misinformed by the tv.
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Post 27 Dec 2008, 03:30
Then it's our responsablity to make this known to the world. Ok i'll tell two people and then they'll tell two people and then well that's already like 10 guys.
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Post 27 Dec 2008, 04:45
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Then it's our responsablity to make this known to the world. Ok i'll tell two people and then they'll tell two people and then well that's already like 10 guys.


OMG let's make a Facebook group. hahaha.

But no even if they use Buran, they'll call it something different or make a slight modification (Carve "USA" into the side of everything?) and it'll be a great "new" NASA space program
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Post 27 Dec 2008, 07:32
So is what you're saying is that we'll be the only non Russians to know the truth?
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Post 27 Dec 2008, 08:22
What I'm saying is, I doubt NASA will tell the world it's using Soviet technology. It's one of those things where if you do a little research, you find out the truth. Otherwise, you're a slave to the mass media.
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Post 27 Dec 2008, 16:36
Yeah that sounds about right to me.
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Post 12 Jan 2009, 06:09
Behold, the power of Soviet/Russian space technology.
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Post 02 Feb 2009, 20:38
Get real! Buran will never be part of a future human space flight system. And there are very good reasons for it.
First of all the space shuttle concept with a reusable orbiter launched on a big fueltank and solid rocket boosters like the american space shuttle and also Buran has proven to be a faulty design. It is risky and uneconomical. This is why NASA is scrapping this consept alltogether so why should they be interested in a similar Soviet design.

Secondly NASA is currently developing the constallation programme to replace the space shuttle. To most people the CEV might seam like a step backwards but it has been proven that the more straight forward simple concept of a linear laungcher will be both more reliable (think about the 2 shuttle accidents) and more economical.

So sorry, the Buran is dead
It would be great with a soviet shuttle in orbit though.
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Post 02 Feb 2009, 23:27
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Get real! Buran will never be part of a future human space flight system. And there are very good reasons for it.
First of all the space shuttle concept with a reusable orbiter launched on a big fueltank and solid rocket boosters like the american space shuttle and also Buran has proven to be a faulty design. It is risky and uneconomical. This is why NASA is scrapping this consept alltogether so why should they be interested in a similar Soviet design.

Secondly NASA is currently developing the constallation programme to replace the space shuttle. To most people the CEV might seam like a step backwards but it has been proven that the more straight forward simple concept of a linear laungcher will be both more reliable (think about the 2 shuttle accidents) and more economical.


Agreed. I think the Soviets were silly to bother with a project like Buran at all. They had to put other interesting projects on hold for it and it was becoming as clear back then as it is now that the Shuttle was a flawed concept. The Soviet government should have made fun of it rather than emulate it.
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Post 03 Feb 2009, 23:19
They should have built a space elevator.
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Post 04 Feb 2009, 12:07
Silly Fitzy, buildings don't go that high!
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Post 04 Feb 2009, 23:53
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_elevator

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Post 05 Feb 2009, 00:21
[No more silly posts here Mr. WCM. Cptn's orders]
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Post 22 Feb 2009, 01:46
Buran was NOT silly. It was one of the greatest achievements in space history. Plus, the US shuttle design was a DIRECT ripoff of Buran design. Just compare the two!!! I have known not one, but TWO of the heroes who designed the Buran, and they both said that US shuttle was direct result of spy infiltration into the Soviet Space Program. Do your research next time.
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Post 22 Feb 2009, 01:58
Do you have any sources (beyond hearsay) for that claim? I find it a bit hard to believe since the shuttle came a long time before Buran.
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