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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 26 Jul 2006, 10:21
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Post 14 Mar 2007, 03:07
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You stated a contradiction within your post, you claimed to agree with my statement about the Kurds with people such as Barazani. Of course, people like that have a way with words.
Let me remind you of history, the rise of fascism in Europe, especially Germany/Spain/Italy. You do know that the fascist leadership of those nations were publicly elected?


I don't know too much about Spain or Italy. But I do know that the people in Germany weren't living thru normal conditions. Like a loaf of bread would cost a cart full of cash. What I'm getting at is- when the people in an area aren't able to pursue normalcy in their everyday lives, they are gullable to opportunistic sensationalists. THis is what breeds separatism, ethno nationalism etc., etc.

If you take a total tally of almost every single ethno nationalist / separatist / fascist powerbase / state out there, you'll note that normalcy of everyday life is highly disruptive in those locales. I am having difficulty believing why the case w/ the Kurds should be a special exception.

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You're mixing up two completely different military campaigns. Both of which have been explained. The Iran campaign and the Kuwait ones are not comparable in any way


What I'm getting at is that Hussien should've used his oil resources to consolidate & improve his economy rather than embark on military adventures- in Iran and Kuwait.

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It's not Saddam's fault that the Iraqi economy failed.


Right...like who gave the order to attack Iran? Darth Vader??? You think I'd be so naive as to think that the war w/ Iran didn't impact the Iraqi economy?!

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Once again not true. In USSR there were internal strifes, even during the years of Lenin. Does this mean the USSR was improperly ran?


It didn't spill to secretarian levels like it did in Iraq...and Kashmir, though. And in the USSR- they were attacked in WWII yet they surged ahead. Under Saddam, nobody attacked him first.

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Taunting the way he was captured is hardly contradicting what I'm stating here..


I'm not taunting him, I'm pointing the facts- the man went down in the lamest possible way. He should've gone down like his sons. When the choice is capture or death I am highly skeptical of the so called "revolutionaries" and "brave patriots" who choose the former.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 17 Jan 2005, 07:15
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Post 14 Mar 2007, 03:27
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I don't know too much about Spain or Italy. But I do know that the people in Germany weren't living thru normal conditions. Like a loaf of bread would cost a cart full of cash. What I'm getting at is- when the people in an area aren't able to pursue normalcy in their everyday lives, they are gullable to opportunistic sensationalists. THis is what breeds separatism, ethno nationalism etc., etc.


Would you consider a country, who has been a colony for so long and just earned it's independence, to be a place were you could expect the luxury we get here? Iraq is an exploited nation, and has been for quite some time. Obviously, this means that the living standards of the inhabitants are way worse than those of someone living in say Denmark. So, in other words, you're just pointing out what I said earlier.

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What I'm getting at is that Hussien should've used his oil resources to consolidate & improve his economy rather than embark on military adventures- in Iran and Kuwait.


What did he do then? I suppose Kassim created and funded every education programme in Iraq up until the illegal occupation? Come on, be realistic. The military campaigns are not the reason to the situation in Iraq. Countries with oil are simply forced to have nothing else to offer than the oil itself. Thus always keeping them in a desperate situation were the oil needs to be shipped for the country to survive. Why do you think there's such a fuss with Iran's nuclear programme? Once the power plants are operational, the use of oil will diminish and obviously will grant Iran the upper hand to "control" the oil extraction. In other words, they will no longer be oil dependant.

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Right...like who gave the order to attack Iran? Darth Vader??? You think I'd be so naive as to think that the war w/ Iran didn't impact the Iraqi economy?!

Once again, this is totally irrelevant. The imperialists funded Saddam. No extra tanks, weapons nor aircraft were built by Iraqi money during that time. Every military expense and equipment was taken care of by the west.

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It didn't spill to secretarian levels like it did in Iraq...and Kashmir, though. And in the USSR- they were attacked in WWII yet they surged ahead. Under Saddam, nobody attacked him first.

Wrong. It did. And wrong again, Iraq has always been an exploited nation, under Saddam the unity amongst the population grew as did the strive for independence, particularly with less involvement from the west.

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I'm not taunting him, I'm pointing the facts- the man went down in the lamest possible way. He should've gone down like his sons. When the choice is capture or death I am highly skeptical of the so called "revolutionaries" and "brave patriots" who choose the former.


Gee, aren't you a jolly fellow. I suppose you should stop reading Marx and opposing imperialism. The only choice you have atm is to either shut up and be a part of the bourgeois society or to kill yourself. What is your choice?
Seriously.... lol.

You really need to read up on guerilla warfare comrade. The choice was not "Capture or death". The choice was flee, like the Shah did in Iran, or to stick to your words and fight for your people. Saddam is the living example of a man who fought until the end. Once more, the fact that he had the opportunity to flee the country and yet refused to, shows a lot of character. The man didn't go down the lamest possible way, he went down as a true hero of the Iraqi resistance. A martyr.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 28 Nov 2006, 20:19
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Post 14 Mar 2007, 03:46
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And how the hell does hiding inside a rathole make you a nationalist? I was expecting Saddam to be one w/ the resistance, especially considering the ground reality in IRaq at the time (of his capture). And the way he got dragged by the US troops was lamer than a limping llama. He should've gone down fighting.

I have some amount of respect for Udai and Qusay simply because they died like real men. But Saddam- seeing the way he went down made me lose whatever little respect I had for him.

Saddam was arrested while praying, then drugged and thrown in a "spider hole" for the photo-op.

http://www.informationclearinghouse.inf ... le9178.htm
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http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/CHO312B.html
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Even if HALF of your praises of Saddam was true, he should've not allowed himself to get captured under ANY circumstances. He should've died honourably rather than subject himself for capture.

He DID die with honor. I'm sure you've seen the video. Now this thread has deteriorated into a litany of histrionic anti-Husseinism. This is my last post, though I could waste more time refuting substanceless bourgeois media soundbytes.

"Your unity stands against falling into servitude. Do not let them (invaders) divide you ... Long live jihad and the mujahideen against the invaders. Here I offer myself in sacrifice.... If my soul goes down this path [of martyrdom] it will face God in serenity, O faithful people, I bid you farewell as my soul goes to God the compassionate. Long live Iraq! Long live Palestine! Long live jihad and the mujahideen! God is greatest!" - Saddam Hussein
Solidarity with the Janjaweed, Musa Hilal and Omar al-Bashir.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 16 Nov 2005, 17:55
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Post 14 Mar 2007, 17:32
Saddam Hussein died with honor, but so did Adolf Eichmann. What's your point?

Understandably, bourgeois media is anti-Saddam, but it's also dangerous to think that the enemy of your enemy is your friend. Al-Bakr was a friend to socialism; Saddam Hussein was not. Hussein was more of a Noriega-like figure, an imperialist lackey who became an embarassment to the West and then an enemy of the West.

Anyway, this massive digression is based on the unrefuted fact that Soviet air technology could not help Saddam Hussein because of his already blunderous adventures.

Also Soviet technology was only as effective as the training the pilots received. This was easily seen in the Korean War, in which Chinese and North Korean pilots were relatively ineffective against their American pilots, and Soviet pilots had to be used in 1951 to get rid of American bombing squads who were trying to penetrate the stalemate line.
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