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Why did the US beat the USSR to the moon?

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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 23 Jan 2005, 11:15
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Post 26 Jan 2005, 07:17
Why was the victor of the space race America? The USSR was going ahead strong with Spuitnik and the first man into space. Plus the first woman into space. Why didn't they keep up the race?
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 11 Dec 2004, 11:58
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Post 26 Jan 2005, 07:21
What is so great about landing on the moon, what advantages did America gain ?

Besides, there are recent articles claiming that the entire mission was fabricated
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 16 Dec 2004, 21:30
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Post 26 Jan 2005, 07:48
Nikita Khrushchev wrote:
What is so great about landing on the moon, what advantages did America gain ?

Nothing but fame
It was just childs play and waste of great deal of money.

But both, USA and USSR, were death serious about it because it was a matter of ideological struggle.

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Besides, there are recent articles claiming that the entire mission was fabricated

Those articles are BS.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 23 Jan 2005, 11:15
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Post 26 Jan 2005, 07:52
True. The main goal was propaganda.
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Post 26 Jan 2005, 08:00
I have myself been moderately interested, for a time, in the unexplainable areas of America's moon landings (most notably the first footage from the moon). I don't know what to say, not wanting to sound like I'm crazy, but I definitely have some questions regarding the whole moon issue.
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Post 26 Jan 2005, 11:57
As do I, the footage i've seen shows the flag swaying as if there is wind


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It was just childs play


For 'childs play' they sure did put alot of time and effort behind it. Soviet Union was not 'death serious', even though I think you mean 'Dead serious', if they were, they would have landed on the moon
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 21 Dec 2004, 23:53
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Post 26 Jan 2005, 18:46
Both sides were 'dead serious' about getting into space. America was just so concerned with the USSR having nukes in space alll pointed at them. They wanted to beat the USSR anytime any place.

Let me also add that America (so did the USSR) steal German engineers and scientist. Also how many failures did it take for the US to get to the moon? The answer: a lot, and a couple of billion dollars later they sucseeded.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 16 Jun 2004, 17:30
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Post 26 Jan 2005, 19:01
The Yankees did get to the moon.

I have no real proof I can show you guys of this of course, but I know my Aunt worked for the Apollo program and it would be pointless to hire her for what she did just to help fabrigate a whole conspiracy. There were too many people involved to keep things this quiet for this long.

Furthermore, the Yankee got there because there was a more efficiant economy in fact. I'm not saying in principle or anything like that, but by the time Stalin died, I think we can all agree, the USSR was on a downward spiral.

The USSR had been destroyed by WWII. The fact they got as far as they did is a testiment to them. But in honesty, the US was the last man standing in the war, so it should be no surprise that they can accomplish it. What is amazing is that they were able to pull it off with all the different companies and interests involved.

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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 27 Feb 2004, 10:31
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Post 27 Jan 2005, 13:26
Insurgent wrote:
Why was the victor of the space race America? The USSR was going ahead strong with Spuitnik and the first man into space. Plus the first woman into space. Why didn't they keep up the race?

The real reason was when Khruschev was kicked out the Soviet space program lost it's champion, and money was diverted to other things. Plus when Sergei Pavlovich Koroliev (head of the USSRs space programme) died in the late 60's he was never replaced with anyone with half his drive, dynamism and abilities.
The USSR had an active plan to land on the moon in 1968 or 1969. They even had selected the cosmonaut who would be the "first" - Alexei Leonov. Landers were designed and built, but the large rocket needed to launch everything (codename N1) was never successfully launched because of a lack of focus in it's design team. All that was probably due to Koroliev's death. The plan wasn't finally abandoned until 1969 - even in 1968/9 the Zond spaceships were going round the moon in preparation for a lunar landing.
There is another thread where some of this is discussed (including the idea that the US landings were faked here:
http://www.soviet-empire.com/ussr/viewtopic.php?t=32604
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 05 Jun 2004, 18:45
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Post 28 Jan 2005, 08:52
I have been doing some reading on this issue, lately. From what I have learned, the Soviet Union threw in the towel fairly early on putting a man on the moon. They never conducted any serious orbital mapping, their modified Lunar Soyuz was never realized, and the solid plans they DID have, never went past the manned orbital phase. In the latter part of the 1960's, it was obvious the US was intent on landing a man on the moon, and as far as interplanatary travel, the Apollo program was far beyond anything the Soviets had.

It was much harder for the Soviet Union to make scientific breakthroughs in Space research, beacuse each new program was based heavily on previous programs. Similar, if ont exactly the same propulsion systems, navigational systems, etc. would be used from one orbital system to the next. That is why it was hard for them to make the leap to Lunar Missions, they had nothing to work off of, and this was a foreign concept for them. So while the US would have great breakthroughs, followed by long lulls, the Soviets trugged along at a steady pace, making slow, but ever-present progress. This just wasn't enough for them when shooting for the Moon.

This is, of course, not to say that the Soviet Union lagged in all areas. During this time they were developing the Soyuz, and other programs, that would break endurance records, and lead to the development of the Salyut Space Stations. This was truly a great step in making a permanent Soviet presence in Space.

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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 17 Mar 2004, 15:53
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Post 23 Feb 2005, 14:42
They never flew to the Moon. If you have been following Space at all you may have noticed the Soviets won the Space race easily, the only Space program the Americans have is handouts from the Russians. It's really sad that in the 21st Century there are still people who believe in the Man on the Moon. Some people never learn from history, next thing you are going to tell me is that they didnt really lose the War in Vietnam. I've got some Mid-East Peace I want to sell you.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 25 Nov 2004, 17:44
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Post 23 Feb 2005, 14:55
Looting wrote:
They never flew to the Moon. If you have been following Space at all you may have noticed the Soviets won the Space race easily, the only Space program the Americans have is handouts from the Russians. It's really sad that in the 21st Century there are still people who believe in the Man on the Moon. Some people never learn from history, next thing you are going to tell me is that they didnt really lose the War in Vietnam. I've got some Mid-East Peace I want to sell you.



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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 05 Jun 2004, 18:45
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Post 23 Feb 2005, 17:13
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They never flew to the Moon.


Oh, that's right, I guess the 800 POUNDS of Moon Rocks were just conjured up using the same 15th century myticism you believe in.



http://www-curator.jsc.nasa.gov/curator/lunar/lunar.htm
http://www.cas.usf.edu/~jryan/moonrocks.html

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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 10 Jun 2004, 17:01
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Post 24 Feb 2005, 00:16
Who say's they got to the moon? I think it was a sham.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 17 Mar 2004, 15:53
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Post 24 Feb 2005, 09:16
The Moonrocks were lunar meteorites that they found in Antarctica during operation deep freeze.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 25 Nov 2004, 17:44
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Post 24 Feb 2005, 11:05
Looting wrote:
The Moonrocks were lunar meteorites that they found in Antarctica during operation deep freeze.



This is getting pathetic.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 18 Jan 2005, 11:26
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Post 24 Feb 2005, 12:04
Very much so. it is indeed ridiculous.

I reject the views expressed that "US man on the moon couldn't have been a conspiracy because too many people were involved"... the fact is that only a very small number of people would know beyond doubt that the moon landing had taken place. With that established, then of course the US government could have faked everything else.

Nikita's point about the flag planted on the moon is one of a number of anomalies which have been identified in photographs of the moon landing.

Others include the shadows cast by some of the objects in the photographs which have been analysed by scientists based on lighting conditions up there at the time, and they have been found to be inconsistent...

Also, the fact that a large number of the photographs are pin sharp, in-focus & almost perfectly exposed, when they were purported to have been taken by a chest-mounted camera with no viewfinder, focus adjustment, or light metering equipment...

Further there is the evidence of the "radiation belt" which any lunar landing craft would need to pass through, and which scientists now know would have caused astronauts to be exposed to highly dangerous levels of radiation... in 1969 technology was not sophisticated enough to shield astronauts from this radiation inside a spacecraft (because of the weight of the quantities of lead that would be needed to do so)... no such radiation exposure has been detected on the persons concerned since their return from space...

I'm not saying that I believe it was faked, just that it is possible....

Leon Trotsky makes (i believe) some fine points about the Soviet space programme (for which i'm grateful... i've learned many things from your posts...) to indicate why for economic reasons they were unable to finance the race to the moon to the levels that the US could... All of this reasoning I accept. I also accept another point expressed earlier in this thread that were the Soviet Union serious & intent on their quest to land on the moon, then they most certainly would have done so.

What's the point of all this waffle?

The US won the race to the moon because they were hell-bent on it, it was such a politically important issue (thanks to JFK), that they may even have faked the whole thing so as not to lose face.
What is certain is that unlimited resources were available to the project, and the credibility of the US on the world stage was at stake.

By contrast the Soviet Union devoted time, energy & resources in pursuit of the same goal, but were never so committed to "getting there first" as they simply could not fund the massive research needed to get there more quickly than the U.S. after the ravages of WWII.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 25 Nov 2004, 17:44
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Post 24 Feb 2005, 12:09
Anatoly Karpov wrote:
Very much so. it is indeed ridiculous.

I reject the views expressed that "US man on the moon couldn't have been a conspiracy because too many people were involved"... the fact is that only a very small number of people would know beyond doubt that the moon landing had taken place. With that established, then of course the US government could have faked everything else.

Nikita's point about the flag planted on the moon is one of a number of anomalies which have been identified in photographs of the moon landing.

Others include the shadows cast by some of the objects in the photographs which have been analysed by scientists based on lighting conditions up there at the time, and they have been found to be inconsistent...

Also, the fact that a large number of the photographs are pin sharp, in-focus & almost perfectly exposed, when they were purported to have been taken by a chest-mounted camera with no viewfinder, focus adjustment, or light metering equipment...

Further there is the evidence of the "radiation belt" which any lunar landing craft would need to pass through, and which scientists now know would have caused astronauts to be exposed to highly dangerous levels of radiation... in 1969 technology was not sophisticated enough to shield astronauts from this radiation inside a spacecraft (because of the weight of the quantities of lead that would be needed to do so)... no such radiation exposure has been detected on the persons concerned since their return from space...

I'm not saying that I believe it was faked, just that it is possible....

Leon Trotsky makes (i believe) some fine points about the Soviet space programme (for which i'm grateful... i've learned many things from your posts...) to indicate why for economic reasons they were unable to finance the race to the moon to the levels that the US could... All of this reasoning I accept. I also accept another point expressed earlier in this thread that were the Soviet Union serious & intent on their quest to land on the moon, then they most certainly would have done so.

What's the point of all this waffle?

The US won the race to the moon because they were hell-bent on it, it was such a politically important issue (thanks to JFK), that they may even have faked the whole thing so as not to lose face.
What is certain is that unlimited resources were available to the project, and the credibility of the US on the world stage was at stake.

By contrast the Soviet Union devoted time, energy & resources in pursuit of the same goal, but were never so committed to "getting there first" as they simply could not fund the massive research needed to get there more quickly than the U.S. after the ravages of WWII.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_moo ... ccusations

Debunks all of your claims.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 16 Jun 2004, 17:30
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Post 24 Feb 2005, 16:34
Everyone who says this is a hoax is doing a great service to science, and thus scientific socialism.

None of these conspiracy theories add up to anything, and your claims about Soviet superiority are clearly biased jingoistic crap. Don't be such nationalists - I mean, are we going to see a post like this next:

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LOL LOL Thje AmeriKKKan Edison didn't invent the lightbulb LOL. Studies who whtat it was invented by Stalinist time travlers.


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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 18 Feb 2005, 19:15
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Post 24 Feb 2005, 20:26
The Americans landed on the moon. To think otherwise is rather ignorant and self-serving.
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