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The Holocaust was brought on by Christian fundamentalism!

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History is right now being mutilated by the a large number of Christians who lie to have us accept that the Holocaust was not a Christian deed. Through subterfuge and covering, a considerable lot of today's Congregation pioneers and devoted Christians have disguised the Christianity of Adolf Hitler and have endeavored to check him a nonbeliever, an agnostic clique admirer, or a false Christian keeping in mind the end goal to place his wrongdoings on those without Jesus. On the other hand, from the most punctual development of the Nazi party and all through the time of triumph and development, Hitler communicated his Christian backing to the German citizenry and officers. The individuals who might make Hitler an agnostic ought to turn their eyes to history books before they address their seats and visit rooms.

Considering that Christianity has up to this point been unequipped for creating an impartial, taught adherent which talks reality, (I haven't experienced any), I have been compelled to scatter the myth by composing this article. It is not until I raise his addresses, my own information on the Nazi administration and their strategies that a Christian will start to question what their church let them know. (I am the posterity of a German trooper. My Opa served under Hitler in WW2 and my dad was raised amid the season of the Nazi administration. This is critical data to mull over for I am aware of some information that most Americans don't have a clue. It is basic for American media and instruction establishments to mislead their natives concerning Nazi Germany.) In this way, in displaying this data I must break it into four sections: 1) Truths about Hitler and his contribution with the Congregation. 2) How the Congregation was the impetus for hostile to Semitism. 3) Truths concerning how the Nazi administration penetrated these convictions into Germanic culture. 4) Quotes Hitler made which demonstrate he had a scorn for anti-faith/mystery, maintained his Christian confidence, and detested Jews because of his Christianity.

Hitler's inclusion with the Congregation:

a) Hitler was absolved as Roman Catholic amid earliest stages in Austria.

b) As Hitler drew nearer childhood he went to a religious community school. (On his approach to class youthful Adolf every day watched a stone curve which was cut with the religious community's crest bearing a swastika.)

c) Hitler was a communicant and a young person of the church in the Catholic Church.

d) As a young fellow he was affirmed as a "trooper of Christ." His most vigorous objective at the time was to turn into a minister. Hitler composes of his affection for the congregation and ministry:

“I had excellent opportunity to intoxicate myself with the solemn splendor of the brilliant church festivals. As was only natural, the abbot seemed to me, as the village priest had once seemed to my father, the highest and most desirable ideal.” -Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)

e) Hitler was NEVER banned nor censured by his congregation. Matter of certainty the Congregation felt he was just and "avenging for God" in assaulting the Jews for they regarded the Semites the enemies of Jesus.

f) Hitler, Franco and Mussolini were given veto control over whom the pope could select as a priest in Germany, Spain and Italy. Thusly they surtaxed the Catholics and gave the cash to the Vatican. Hitler composed a discourse in which he discusses this collusion, this is a selection:

“The fact that the Vatican is concluding a treaty with the new Germany means the acknowledgement of the National Socialist state by the Catholic Church. This treaty shows the whole world clearly and unequivocally that the assertion that National Socialism [Nazism] is hostile to religion is a lie.” - Adolf Hitler, 22 July 1933, writing to the Nazi Party.

Hitler and the Popeg) Hitler worked Nearly with Pope Pius in changing over Germanic culture and supporting the congregation. The Congregation ingested Nazi standards and lectured them as a feature of their sermons thus Hitler put Catholic teachings in state funded instruction. This photograph delineates Hitler with Diocese supervisor Cesare Orsenigo, the ecclesiastical nuncio in Berlin. It was tackled April 20, 1939, when Orsenigo observed Hitler's birthday. The festivals were started by Pacelli (Pope Pius XII) and turned into a custom.

Every April 20, Cardinal Bertram of Berlin was to send "hottest congrats to the Fuhrer for the sake of the religious administrators and the bishoprics in Germany with "intense requests to God which the Catholics of Germany are sending to paradise on their sacrificial stones." (In the event that you might want to know all the more about the mystery dealings of Hitler and the Pope I suggest you get a book titled: Hitler’s Pope: The Secret History of Pius XII, by John Cornwell)

h) Because of Hitler's contribution with the Congregation he started sanctioning principles of the Congregation as law. He prohibited all fetus removal, boiled over a demise war on all gay people, and requested beating in schools and home. Ordinarily Hitler tended to the congregation and guaranteed that Germany would actualize its teachings:

“The National Socialist State professes its allegiance to positive Christianity. It will be its honest endeavor to protect both the great Christian Confessions in their rights, to secure them from interference with their doctrines (Lehren), and in their duties to constitute a harmony with the views and the exigencies of the State of today.” –Adolf Hitler, on 26 June 1934 to Catholic religious administrators to guarantee them that he would make a move against the new agnostic purposeful publicity “Providence has caused me to be Catholic, and I know therefore how to handle this Church.” -Adolf Hitler, reportedly to have said in Berlin in 1936 on the enmity of the Catholic Church to National Socialism

How Christianity was the impetus of the Holocaust:

Hitler's hostile to Semitism developed out of his Christian training. Austria and Germany were majorly Christian amid his time and they held the conviction that Jews were a second rate status to Aryan Christians. The Christians rebuked the Jews for the murdering of Jesus. Jewish scorn did not really spring from Hitler, it originated from the proclaiming of Catholic clerics and Protestant pastors all through Germany for a long time. The Protestant pioneer, Martin Luther, himself, held an enraged disdain for Jews and their Jewish religion. In his book, "On the Jews and their lies," Luther set the standard for Jewish contempt in Protestant Germany up until World War 2. Hitler communicated an extraordinary appreciation for Martin Luther always citing his works and convictions.

Presently, you must recall before Hitler rose to Chancellor of Germany the nation was in a profound financial misery because of the Versailles arrangement. The Versailles bargain requested that Germans made money related reparations for the past war and Germany basically was not sufficiently independent so as to pay the obligation. Hitler was the pioneer that raised Germany out of the sorrow and took them back to a world perceived force. Because of his invalidation of the budgetary troubles of the Germanic individuals he turned into their savior and they anointed him as the pioneer of the German Reich Christian Church in 1933. This set him in force of the German Christian Communist development which enacts their political and religious plans. It united all divisions, fundamentally the Protestant/Catholic and Lutheran individuals to ingrain confidence in a national Christianity.

How the Nazi Administration changed over the individuals:

a) In the 1920s, Hitler's German Specialists' Gathering (prenazi term) received a "System" with a quarter century (the Nazi adaptation of a constitution). In point twenty-four, their expectation unmistakably illustrates, from the earliest starting point, their stand for a "positive" Christianity: “We demand liberty for all religious denominations in the State, so far as they are not a danger to it and do not militate against the morality and moral sense of the German race. The Party, as such, stands for positive Christianity, but does not bind itself in the matter of creed to any particular confession...”

b) The Nazi administration began an adolescent development which lectured its motivation to susceptible youngsters. Hitler moved down the thought that everything individuals need confidence and religious instruction:

“By helping to raise man above the level of bestial vegetation, faith contributes in reality to the securing and safeguarding of his existence. Take away from present-day mankind its education-based, religious- dogmatic principles-- or, practically speaking, ethical-moral principles-- by abolishing this religious education, but without replacing it by an equivalent, and the result will be a grave shock to the foundations of their existence.” – Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)

c) The Nazi administration started to control schools demanding that Christianity was taught.

d) The Nazi administration included hostile to Semitic Christian works in reading material and they were not expelled from Christian principles until 1961.

e) The Nazi administration having out and out control over the individuals started to coercively change over all its military.

Nazi Belt Bucklef) The Nazi administration constrained the German officers to wear religious images, for example, the swastika and they set religious idioms on military rigging. An illustration here is this German armed force belt clasp (I accept my Opa had one) which peruses "Gott Mit Uns". For those of you who don't communicate in German it is deciphered as "God With Us".

g) The German troops were frequently compelled to get sprinkled with heavenly water and listen to a sermon by a Catholic cleric before going out on a move.

h) The Nazis made a mystery administration called the "SS Reich" that would go about as spies on the dealings of different nationals. On the off chance that anybody was associated with apostasy (Going against the Communist party as well as Chapel Precept) they would be indicted.

Quotes from Hitler:
Hitler's discourses and decrees, significantly all the more unmistakably, uncover his confidence and emotions toward a Christianized Germany. Nazism exhibits a humiliation to Christianity and shows the risk of their confidence So they attempt to stick him on other mystical perspectives. The accompanying words from Hitler demonstrate his scorn for skepticism, and agnostic religions, and uncover the quality of his Christian emotions:

“National Socialism is not a cult-movement-- a movement for worship; it is exclusively a ‘volkic’ political doctrine based upon racial principles. In its purpose there is no mystic cult, only the care and leadership of a people defined by a common blood-relationship... We will not allow mystically- minded occult folk with a passion for exploring the secrets of the world beyond to steal into our Movement. Such folk are not National Socialists, but something else-- in any case something which has nothing to do with us. At the head of our programme there stand no secret surmisings but clear-cut perception and straightforward profession of belief. But since we set as the central point of this perception and of this profession of belief the maintenance and hence the security for the future of a being formed by God, we thus serve the maintenance of a divine work and fulfill a divine will-- not in the secret twilight of a new house of worship, but openly before the face of the Lord… Our worship is exclusively the cultivation of the natural, and for that reason, because natural, therefore God-willed. Our humility is the unconditional submission before the divine laws of existence so far as they are known to us men.” -Adolf Hitler, in Nuremberg on 6 Sept.1938. [Christians have always accused Hitler of believing in pagan cult mythology. What is written here clearly expresses his stand against cults.]

“We were convinced that the people needs and requires this faith. We have therefore undertaken the fight against the atheistic movement, and that not merely with a few theoretical declarations: we have stamped it out.” -Adolf Hitler, in a speech in Berlin on 24 Oct. 1933 [This statement clearly refutes modern Christians who claim Hitler as favoring atheism. Hitler wanted to form a society in which all people worshiped Jesus and considered any questioning of such to be heresy. The Holocaust was like a modern inquisition, killing all who did not accept Jesus. Though more Jews were killed then any other it should be noted that Many Aryan pagans and atheists were murdered for their non-belief in Christ.]

Here Hitler uses the Bible and his Christianity in order to attack the Jews and uphold his anti-Semitism:

"My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God’s truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison. To-day, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed His blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow my self to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice… And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly it is the distress that daily grows . For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people." –Adolf Hitler, in a speech on 12 April 1922 (Norman H. Baynes, ed. The Speeches of Adolf Hitler, April 1922-August 1939, Vol. 1 of 2, pp. 19-20, Oxford University Press, 1942)

"Christianity could not content itself with building up its own altar; it was absolutely forced to undertake the destruction of the heathen altars. Only from this fanatical intolerance could its apoplectic faith take form; this intolerance is, in fact, its absolute presupposition." -Adolf Hitler Mein Kampf (It is quite obvious here that Hitler is referring to destructing the Judaism alters on which Christianity was founded.)

"The personification of the devil as the symbol of all evil assumes the living shape of the Jew." -Adolf Hitler Mein Kampf (The idea of the devil and the Jew came out of medieval anti-Jewish beliefs based on interpretations from the Bible. Martin Luther, and teachers after him, continued this “tradition” up until the 20th century.)

"With satanic joy in his face, the black-haired Jewish youth lurks in wait for the unsuspecting girl whom he defiles with his blood, thus stealing her from her people." -Adolf Hitler Mein Kampf (It is common in war for one race to rape another so that they can “defile” the race and assimilate their own. Hitler speaks about this very tactic here.)

“The best characterization is provided by the product of this religious education, the Jew himself. His life is only of this world, and his spirit is inwardly as alien to true Christianity as his nature two thousand years previous was to the great founder of the new doctrine. Of course, the latter made no secret of his attitude toward the Jewish people, and when necessary he even took the whip to drive from the temple of the Lord this adversary of all humanity, who then as always saw in religion nothing but an instrument for his business existence. In return, Christ was nailed to the cross, while our present- day party Christians debase themselves to begging for Jewish votes at elections and later try to arrange political swindles with atheistic Jewish parties-- and this against their own nation.”–Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)

"…the fall of man in paradise has always been followed by his expulsion." -Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf (See Genesis Chapter 3 where humankind is cast from Eden for their sins. Hitler compares this to the need to exterminate the Jews for their sin against Christ.)
“Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord.” –Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)

“The anti-Semitism of the new movement [Christian Social movement] was based on religious ideas instead of racial knowledge.” –Adolf Hitler Mein Kampf (This quote is very interesting for it disperses the idea that Hitler raged war due to being an Aryan supremacist. He states quite clearly that he has a problem with Jews for their belief not race. That is why many German Jews died in WW2 regardless of their Aryan nationality.)

“Only in the steady and constant application of force lies the very first prerequisite for success. This persistence, however, can always and only arise from a definite spiritual conviction. Any violence which does not spring from a firm, spiritual base, will be wavering and uncertain.” –Adolf Hitler Mein Kampf (Here Hitler is admitting that his war against the Jews were so successful because of his strong Christian Spirituality.)

Quotes from Other Nazis about Hitler and Religion:
"Around 1937, when Hitler heard that at the instigation of the party and the SS vast numbers of his followers had left the church because it was obstinately opposing his plans, he nevertheless ordered his chief associates, above all Goering and Gobbels, to remain members of the church. He too would remain a member of the Catholic Church, he said, although he had no real attachment to it. And in fact he remained in the church until his suicide." (Inside the Third Reich by Albert Speer page 95-96)

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“The foundation of irreligious criticism is: Man makes religion, religion does not make man. Religion is, indeed, the self-consciousness and self-esteem of man who has either not yet won through to himself, or has already lost himself again. But man is no abstract being squatting outside the world. Man is the world of man – state, society. This state and this society produce religion, which is an inverted consciousness of the world, because they are an inverted world... Religious suffering is, at one and the same time, the expression of real suffering and a protest against real suffering. Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, and the soul of soulless conditions. It is the opium of the people. The abolition of religion as the illusory happiness of the people is the demand for their real happiness. To call on them to give up their illusions about their condition is to call on them to give up a condition that requires illusions. The criticism of religion is, therefore, in embryo, the criticism of that vale of tears of which religion is the halo. Criticism has plucked the imaginary flowers on the chain not in order that man shall continue to bear that chain without fantasy or consolation, but so that he shall throw off the chain and pluck the living flower. The criticism of religion disillusions man, so that he will think, act, and fashion his reality like a man who has discarded his illusions and regained his senses, so that he will move around himself as his own true Sun. Religion is only the illusory Sun which revolves around man as long as he does not revolve around himself.” - Karl Marx, Critique of Hegel's Philosophy of Right

“Discrimination among citizens on account of their religious convictions is wholly intolerable. Even the bare mention of a citizen's religion in official documents should unquestionably be eliminated." - Vladimir Lenin
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Post 23 Sep 2015, 16:10
Utter garbage. Nazis were generally anti Christian ( especially anti-Catholic ) and it was precisely their racial antisemitism that served as the ideological justification for the Holocaust, in opposition to the traditional Christian religious antisemitism.

Where are you getting this shit from?
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Post 23 Sep 2015, 16:12
Yeah, this is some Dawkins BS. What caused the Holocaust was an economic crash, resentment against "alien" (Jewish) bourgeoisie by domestic (German) bourgeoisie, and having reached the scientific capability to carry out genocide in a mass industrial fashion.

Actually the Nazi stance on Christianity was to remold it into "Positive Christianity" to suit their political goals; mainly what that was is Lutheranism focused on "Jews killed Jesus." None of the top brass were particularly devout, most were agnostic and more sympathetic to Wotanism ("German volk faith") than anything.

You can argue religion was an ancillary cause of the pogroms in Eastern Europe, easily. It still wasn't primary, but Orthodoxy was definitely a contributing factor. You can't really make the claim on the Holocaust at all, unless you're talking certain reactionary segments of the Catholic Church backing French and (especially) Italian and Spanish fascism.
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Actually, you really can't blame Orthodoxy for any part of the Holocaust. The occasional pogroms that took place in earlier times had ended for good by the dawn of the 20th century. If anything, it was the Communist Stalin who was preparing to unleash a new wave of Jew baiting in the early 1950's.

If anything accelerated the pace of anti-Semitism in central Europe, it was most certainly the Protestant Reformation. Luther, Calvin, Melanchthon, Zwingli, and the like were all rabid Jew haters. Catholic rulers in Europe, while hardly friendly to Jews on a personal level, nonetheless tended to discourage open persecution. It was a Catholic ruler in Poland who allowed Jews into the country in the first place.

Meanwhile, the Nazi theories of the Aryan superman and the superiority of Aryan blood represent a mutation of the racist theories of Gobineau, Richard Wagner, and others who were building on Protestant hatred, German nationalism, and the remnants of the old Thor religion.

Hitler gave the go ahead to Himmler, Darre, Rosenberg and the rest of the "Thule Gesellschaft" occult nutters to come up with an SS mythology that would suit the new "Volkisch" state. At the same time, he and Mussolini made cynical deals with Pope Pius, one of the few openly anti-Semitic Popes in modern history.

Christianity as such did not set the stage for the Holocaust, but it definitely played a part in creating the conditions that led to its inception.
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Post 23 Sep 2015, 22:59
There were fascists who were heavily involved with the reactionary RCC and there was some flirtation between the groups. Given power and not Hitler they probably would have gone down a similar path regarding Jews and other undesirables, but they were overshadowed by the real nazis. Hitler despised Christianity, particularly for its 'left wing' values that run contrary to elitist fascist attitudes and how it conquered Europe with this.
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Post 24 Oct 2015, 04:54
I respect all your opinions but must respectfully disagree as the facts suggest otherwise. Nonetheless though.

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“Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord.” –Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)


Genocide is what happens when you bring religion into a society or government. Spirituality is fine, but religion is dangerous and a tool to control people.
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Post 25 Jan 2018, 03:02
This post is too long / didn't read. -- Christians had nothing to do with the holocaust, that was Hitlers doing. Also Catholicism has nothing to do with Christianity, Catholics are not Christians.
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Post 25 Jan 2018, 15:34
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Also Catholicism has nothing to do with Christianity, Catholics are not Christians.


WHAT?! Do you have any idea of Catholicism at all??


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lol we got an anti papist here. I predict overt racism shortly.
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@Che - Absolutely. I know more than enough to say they're not Christian, they don't represent Jesus Christ at all.

@ Dagoth - You're darn right I'm anti Papist, I don't support those who support child molestations etc. As for me being a racist I'm far from it. Also I like how even though I don't know you and you don't know me you feel the need to ridicule my posts along with Che there... last I checked everyone has the right to an opinion. Opinions are like butts, everyone has one. If you don't like my views on things that's okay, but id appreciate it if you didn't lol at me and ridicule me like a troll... This is the EXACT reason this forum IS dead right there, the cliques is nauseating.


It's sad we live in a world full of butt hurt snowflakes that feel the need to question everyone's right to an opinion, I'm tired of all this conformity, I will not conform. God no wonder mankind is dying race, no wonder I cannot stand society as a whole. I miss the good old days when you could freely speak your mind without having to worry about offending someone.

I mean what's the problem with me having an opinion? Nothing... or at least I don't see the problem. I don't feel like defending my views every time I write a post here. I mean it doesn't take a rocket scientist to do your research into the Catholic Church and what goes on there, here's a hint; it ain't good and I cannot support them with a good conscious and a true commie shouldn't either they're capitalist scum.

Ps. If my post offends you or you don't like my views; NEWSFLASH - I don't care. I don't base my life around trying to tip toe my way around snowflakes.
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Wow you're so triggered rn. Sorry. I'll put a content warning on my post for you so your precious opinion can remain unmolested.
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You're just a papist snowflake
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