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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 08 Nov 2007, 06:31
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Post 07 Sep 2015, 22:47
Akecheta wrote:

It's not that I want, it's the fact that I am. You claim that I'm misguided, but I'm quite educated when it comes to politics and history. Judging by your anti-Stalin propaganda you are the one who is misguided here.



Really? Because it's plainly apparent you set out to confirm some relationship to stalin, you have some patriotic affinity for russia, and feel that your heritage explains some mystical leftist bias. It is kind of misguided to decide to be a stalinist based on this, I mean you would be thrown in a soviet psychiatric facility after all. That's not anti-stalin propaganda.

I don't even see what you'd get from this if it were true. Most western leftists are to the left of stalin, you'll just be distrusted. Go further east closer to Russia and you would be socially shunned regardless of your relationship to him.
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Post 07 Sep 2015, 22:48
Akecheta wrote:
I guess we can agree to disagree.

Quoth some sage: "you're entitled to your own opinion, but not your own set of facts."

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I understand that you believe that, but this recording obviously debunks that statement.

So you're now arguing the phonograph was invented two decades before it was, based on nothing. I would argue it's simpler to guess that instead of a vast conspiracy to cover up the phonograph's invention to hide the pregnancy of someone nobody ever heard of, the recording is bunk. I await a Russian-speaker's confirmation on that.

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History is known to be twisted, to be a lie, to take credit away from someone else.

And I think it's perverse that you delegitimize actual historical inquiry, like that of Howard Zinn, by lumping it in with this kind of ridiculous bullshit. Born purely out of an obsessive and frankly narcissistic need to be connected to some "great man of history," no less; exactly the mentality Zinn was challenging.

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You shouldn't be shocked that recording existed in 1858.

Yes I should, it's an extraordinary claim that the phonograph was invented two decades earlier and was extant in impoverished semi-rural Georgia. As such, it requires extraordinary evidence, and I don't mean Pavel Chekov saying "Russians invented it!"

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A small town regardless would have Russian-speakers. Especially under the Russian Empire and Russians from different places.

Keke spoke Russian very poorly, she obviously was not in regular contact with Russians. In a small town where everyone knows everyone, that means there probably were none in Gambareuli. I'm sure there were a few in Gori, but that was a ways off. And even there they were uncommon enough that Stalin learned Russian not from everyday exposure, but from a Georgian Orthodox priest. If a Georgian ob-gyn speaks with a mother in Russian, obviously Russian would be the lingua franca of a given area, and it self-evidently was not.
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Post 08 Sep 2015, 01:13
Daily reminder that Stalin raped a 13 YO girl when he was in exile in Siberia, where other deportees mostly hated him because he was the only one who hanged out with actual non-political criminals.

Also why would you people argue on the internet ( and even more so with someone claiming he's Stalin's grandson or some shit ) in 2015?
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Post 08 Sep 2015, 01:34
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Daily reminder that Stalin raped a 13 YO girl when he was in exile in Siberia, where other deportees mostly hated him because he was the only one who hanged out with actual non-political criminals.


Propaganda. This isn't true. Quit trying to demonize my cousin. From 1928 to 1937, the Russian national income rose from 24 billion rubles to 96 billion rubles. That is an enormous, positive change which came during Stalin's reign. As a result of education reforms, Stalin brought the illiteracy rate from 50%, to 20%. He also increased transportation be building many new railroads all across the country, including the Turkenstan-Siberian railway. Under Stalin, women were given equal rights and opportunities. Advancement in the healthcare field led to the rise of the average Russian lifespan. Stalin industrialized the USSR, making it a world superpower. Industrialization also gave the USSR a chance against the Germans, to out-produce them. They did this very well and as a result, Moscow was not captured, the Battle of Stalingrad was not lost, the Battle of Kursk was not lost, and the Germans did not win the war. I believe that Stalin was a great leader, considering that he brought Russia from poverty and turmoil to greatness. These are facts.
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Post 08 Sep 2015, 01:39
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Quit trying to demonize my cousin

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Post 08 Sep 2015, 03:34
Akecheta wrote:
From 1928 to 1937, the Russian national income rose from 24 billion rubles to 96 billion rubles. That is an enormous, positive change which came during Stalin's reign. As a result of education reforms, Stalin brought the illiteracy rate from 50%, to 20%. He also increased transportation be building many new railroads all across the country, including the Turkenstan-Siberian railway. Under Stalin, women were given equal rights and opportunities. Advancement in the healthcare field led to the rise of the average Russian lifespan. Stalin industrialized the USSR, making it a world superpower. Industrialization also gave the USSR a chance against the Germans, to out-produce them. They did this very well and as a result, Moscow was not captured, the Battle of Stalingrad was not lost, the Battle of Kursk was not lost, and the Germans did not win the war. I believe that Stalin was a great leader, considering that he brought Russia from poverty and turmoil to greatness. These are facts.

All of this is true. For all our complaints on her story, she's indisputably pretty knowledgeable on Stalin as a figure.

I'm not sure what the source is on "Stalin was a rapist." I'm open to it, no view on him should be kneejerk positive. He made a lot of errors too, mainly out of being overly cautious; his paranoia at home, support of the Kuomintang and pulling the plug on the Spanish left abroad. But we have to remember that there also is a lot of Cold War-era politicized historiography surrounding him, especially sensationalist personal accusations made to paint him as a Saturday morning cartoon villain. And all of the accomplishments above outweigh the negatives on balance.

Also, I'm sorry for my abrasive tone earlier.
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Post 08 Sep 2015, 04:02
Bottom line, though: Stalin worship in the 21st century is superfluous at best, and actively harmful at worst.

The American left doesn't need to be violently purged, nor Jewish doctors made examples of.

American politics needs to calm the frag down, not hype up even further. We need clear thinking people like Sanders, not some pseudo-mystical demagogue with a violent past and a tendency to hold grudges.
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Post 08 Sep 2015, 04:12
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Bottom line, though: Stalin worship in the 21st century is superfluous at best, and actively harmful at worst.


Actively harmful to those who are profiting off the working class while treating us like dirt.

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The American left doesn't need to be violently purged, nor Jewish doctors made examples of. American politics needs to calm the frag down, not hype up even further. We need clear thinking people like Sanders, not some pseudo-mystical demagogue with a violent past and a tendency to hold grudges.


I would much rather have a communist revolution (which I would lead), than a democratic socialist being elected in this corrupt system. But I like Sanders, he's the only exception out of every politician in this country. That's my opinion. I would consider my opinion to be a fact regarding this.
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Post 08 Sep 2015, 05:28
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Also, I'm sorry for my abrasive tone earlier.


It's okay, but like I told you, I have no reason to lie. I just wanted to share my excited discovery that Joseph Stalin is my cousin. You should never trust history entirely. You should always expect the unexpected as I already explained to you why.
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Post 08 Sep 2015, 05:41
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I would much rather have a communist revolution (which I would lead)


Lol. I think you're more related to avakian than stalin tbh. I echo loz, troll
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Post 08 Sep 2015, 05:46
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Lol. I think you're more related to avakian than stalin tbh. I echo loz, troll


Like I said, my Ancestry confirms I'm related to Joseph Stalin, and the recording is also the proof confirming the family relations. The only trolls here are you and Loz. I just got finished talking to MissStrangelove in a private message, me and her apologized and agreed that I'm right. But you should take note that I'm not the one starting fights and being disrespectful here. I was simply sharing the amazing discovery that I found but you can't even comprehend that since you can't comprehend facts apparently. I sincerely hope you start using your brains, especially before you bring up the accusation of someone being a troll.
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Post 08 Sep 2015, 07:22
I think some of us are simply concerned that you are making too much of this. There are so many other and better role models to follow in the 21st century that are a great deal more relevant to presently existing conditions.

No one is going to hand you the reins of power, even over a miniscule political party with 200 members, just because of your ancestry. You have to put in the time and effort to show you are a capable leader and theoretician. Even Lenin was only acknowledged as the undisputed leader of the Party after nearly two decades of hard struggle.
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Post 08 Sep 2015, 07:47
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I think some of us are simply concerned that you are making too much of this. There are so many other and better role models to follow in the 21st century that are a great deal more relevant to presently existing conditions.


I just take pride in my ancestry. I also take pride in Joseph Stalin and the Soviet Union. I love history when it's not lies. It's my choice if I want to follow his footsteps though, to build equality, to empower the working class. And I choose to do just that and more to better our country.

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No one is going to hand you the reins of power, even over a miniscule political party with 200 members, just because of your ancestry. You have to put in the time and effort to show you are a capable leader and theoretician. Even Lenin was only acknowledged as the undisputed leader of the Party after nearly two decades of hard struggle.


I understand this. I do put in the time and effort. I will continue to fight for the truth, to fight for equality, to empower the working class. It's the right thing to do, I will use my intelligence and all my strength to crush the enemies of the working class.

Edit: Get a clue already! You can't promote your Facebook page here!! - Che B.
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Post 09 Sep 2015, 11:35
I'm active there and will continue to stand for what's right. It's called freedom of speech, Che B. I reassure you that the content that I post is not harmful.
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Post 09 Sep 2015, 12:45
Freedom of speech, the way you're thinking of it as legal principle, is part of the US Constitution. Che is Argentine. It also applies to Congress' decisions, not self-promotion on a privately-owned site. Other countries have different conceptions of it, some broader than America's, some less broad. But a private forum restricting self-promotion is legit just about anywhere.

You agreed to the forum's rules when you signed up. If you don't agree to respect them now, you can get the frag out. And while you can say my own tone was harsh at times, I don't think Che was anything but polite here. Frankly, if airing disagreement with your (ridiculous) claims is what constitutes rudeness, you're going to have a lot of trouble dealing with the real world. Good luck leading any kind of revolution then.

But, I figure that's part of why you latch on so much to Stalin as a figure. You don't handle pressure well, and you want to lash out in reaction, but know you can't safely. So you feel trapped. And then cling to a "great man" who exhibited the kind of strength you lack, and there may be a sense of bloodlust/wish-fulfillment here too.
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Post 09 Sep 2015, 12:51
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10. You are prohibited from using Soviet-Empire to advertise commercial products, websites or other discussion forums.


I'm not exactly sure if this rule applies to promoting a non profit Facebook page; but everyone can already link up to your Facebook page through your profile Emily, so there is no point in doing so in the forum and risking getting carded.
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Post 09 Sep 2015, 19:34
Freedom of speech means:
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The right to express any opinions without censorship or restraint.


Me posting my Facebook URL is in no way harmful or considered "advertisement". In fact I post no harmful content to my page either. Therefore, why censor it?

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Any public notice, as a printed display in a newspaper, short film on television, announcement on radio, etc, designed to sell goods.


It's obviously clear I'm not selling anything.

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But, I figure that's part of why you latch on so much to Stalin as a figure.


No. He's my cousin as I established but this accusation that you make is far from the truth.

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You don't handle pressure well, and you want to lash out in reaction, but know you can't safely. So you feel trapped. And then cling to a "great man" who exhibited the kind of strength you lack, and there may be a sense of bloodlust/wish-fulfillment here too.


I don't handle pressure well? I'm divided on that. I lash out in reaction? I'm divided on that. I could be very harsh to you for how you treated me and how you are still treating me but I try to not choose to act like that. I feel trapped? No. I don't. The kind of strength I lack? A sense of bloodlust? Now you are only embarrassing yourself further with your libel. I see you have broken your promise that you would not insult me and treat me like dirt anymore. And here I thought we could be friends.
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Post 09 Sep 2015, 19:36
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I'm not exactly sure if this rule applies to promoting a non profit Facebook page


That's because it doesn't. If anyone wishes to look me up though, my name on Facebook is Emily Halona Stalin.
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Post 09 Sep 2015, 20:34
Akecheta wrote:
Freedom of speech means:

Which even under capitalism does not apply to a privately-owned forum.

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Me posting my Facebook URL is in no way harmful or considered "advertisement".

Yes, it is advertising you as a public figure. "Politician" as you put it. Or are political campaign advertisements not ads?

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I see you have broken your promise that you would not insult me and treat me like dirt anymore. And here I thought we could be friends.

Frankly, I'm just assessing what I see from one person who feels beaten down, comes from an abusive home, and suffers from anxiety issues to another. I understand the mentality, but it doesn't mean we should tell ourselves pretty lies instead of facing real life.

Again, if you feel my disagreement with you is "insulting you," you have very thin skin.
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Post 09 Sep 2015, 22:12
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Which even under capitalism does not apply to a privately-owned forum.


I'm not a capitalist. I believe in freedom of speech (including on the internet) so long as it's not harmful.

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Yes, it is advertising you as a public figure. "Politician" as you put it. Or are political campaign advertisements not ads?


Posting my personal Facebook page URL is now considered a "political campaign" and "advertisement"? Interesting.


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I understand the mentality, but it doesn't mean we should tell ourselves pretty lies instead of facing real life.


I see we are back to you accusing me of lying, disrespecting me, and insulting me.

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Again, if you feel my disagreement with you is "insulting you," you have very thin skin.


There's a huge difference between respectfully disagreeing with someone for whatever reason than disrespectfully disagreeing with someone and not using their brain. I suspect that you are nothing but a troll. I now see you are not up to settle this respectfully, I see you will continue to ignore the facts, and I see you will continue to insult me. You have lied to me when in reality you have no interest to apologize to me or act decent as you claimed you would. Regardless how you feel, I'm related to Joseph Stalin and the facts prove this. I consider him to be a great leader and the facts prove that too. I hope you come and support Cuba during the event 'Support Cuba nomination for Nobel Peace Prize for Ebola fight'. I'm excited to precipitate myself.

You have exhausted me with this ridiculous fight. I'm ending the conversation between us indefinitely. I'm glad I was able to answer all your questions. I have a life to get back to. I'm sorry we couldn't settle this dispute or be friends as you claimed to have wanted. Take care!
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