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Here is a picture of Joseph Stalin when he was 16-years-old. Joseph Stalin is my 1st cousin 4x removed. When Joseph Stalin was born on December 18, 1878, in Gori, Georgia, his father, Besarion, was 28 and his mother, Keke, was 20. He married Ekaterina "Kato" Svanidze and they had one child together. He then married Nadezhda Sergejevna Alliluyeva and they had three children together between 1921 and 1926. He died on March 5, 1953, in Moscow, Russia, at the age of 74, and was buried in Moscow, Russia. I am the daughter of Timothy James Dykes, my grandmother Sheryl D Bellville is the daughter of Floyd Allen Bellville, my great-grandfather Floyd Allen Bellville is the son of Willis Eugene Bellville, my 2nd great grandfather Willis Eugene Bellville is the son of Charles Wesley Bellville, my 3rd great grandfather Charles Wesley Bellville is the son of Louisa Almeda Claflin, my 4th great grandmother Louisa Almeda Claflin is the mother of Keke Geladze, my 3rd great grand aunt Keke Geladze is the mother of Joseph Stalin.

Joseph grew up in a violent home: his father ("Beso") was incessantly drunk and beat his mother and him frequently. Once Joseph was beaten so hard there was blood in his urine for just over a week. When Stalin's father beat Keke, Keke occasionally fought back. Once, a blood soaked Joseph ran to the Gori police chief Davrichewy crying: "Help! Come quickly! He's killing my mother!" Joseph even threw a knife at his father while defending his mother. Before Joseph was 10, Beso left the family home (some family members say he was thrown out by his wife). To support herself and her son, Keke took on any menial job available; mainly housework, sewing and laundering. They had nine homes in the next decade. She returned once when Beso promised to improve, but she soon left to live with Father Charkviani, one of Stalin's rumored fathers.

Stalin wrote letters to Keke occasionally. These letters were affectionate and upbeat, but short; it took him an excessively long time to write them because it had become difficult for him to write in Georgian (the only language his mother understood). A doctor who treated Keke in her old age, recalled that when Stalin visited his mother in October 1935, he asked her: "Why did you beat me so hard?" "That's why you turned out so well", Keke answered. In return, his mother asked him: "Joseph - who exactly are you now?" "Do you remember the tsar? Well, I'm like a tsar", replied Stalin. "You'd have done better to have become a priest" was his mother's insult.

Keke died of pneumonia on June 4, 1937. Although her death was reported in Georgia, Stalin requested that the news not be reported across the rest of the Soviet Union. Stalin did not attend the funeral, held on June 8.

Following Lenin's death Stalin maneuvered for power by offering the best platform to defeat the Western imperialists, who were trying to defeat Russia. He was in charge of bringing in new Communist Party members and he loved to fill the ranks with capable people. He built up Soviet industry, and Moscow metro became envy of the West. He put accent on education and development, and soon masses of Soviet citizens raised from poverty and illiteracy to become the most educated nation on Earth. During the 30s and 40s, great accent was put on scientific development. During the Great Patriotic War he wiped out Nazi party leadership at all levels, and Soviets defeated Hitler single-handedly. The Western capitalist nations were only too happy to fight Hitler as they had a goal to participate symbolically, and if they did not take any risks before 1944, and that only to stop Stalin from defeating Hitler alone, so that they can twist history for posteriority. Millions of Russians sacrificed themselves to fight Hitler, many were executed, Soviets, not Jews, were the greatest victims of concentration camps and Hitler's genocide. In Ukraine and Belarus under Hitler they were starved and burned alive in churches, until Stalin's victorious troops freed them. The Red Army is largely responsible for the Soviet Union's courageous fight against the Nazis, sacrificing 10 million soldiers while 20 million civilians were killed in genocide, that is ignored in the cynical West. Victorious Soviet Army brought justice to millions of people who suffered under Hitler, the Red Army bringing freedom to people of Europe with enormous sacrifices. After the war the Soviet Union became a superpower largely due to Stalin's leadership. Nazi war criminals and collaborators Stalin had mostly executed. After the war, Russia became a leader in space technology as Stalin continued to place focus on science, education and health care free for all, enjoying improved life and well being in the prosperous and industrious Soviet Union. Envious Western powers started the Cold War in order to stop the Soviet Union from supporting other nations in their anti-colonial quest for freedom, but with little success. In 60s and 70s most colonies freed themselves with help and support from the SSSR - and the Cuban Revolution brought socialist justice near the United States. Losing the war in Vietnam and faced with socialist counterculture youth in their own home, imperialists had to withdraw and give equal rights to other races. Unfortunately, with no firm leadership after Stalin, financial sanctions against the free socialist world took their toll, and neoimperialists managed to enslave Eastern Europe again, at least temporarily, causing living standards to fall dramatically in the 90s.

Many people across the former USSR want communism back. Now, communism is a stateless, moneyless, and classless society. The USSR was only in the socialist stage. Despite heavy censorship, people never had to face unemployment, poverty, and other issues. Bread lines only happened during WWII and Gorbachev's reign of terror. It never was communist, but it definitely made lives happy and easier to live. The Soviets kept peace among deeply-divided people. The Soviet Union made the world a safer place in their own neck of the woods, which spans two continents. The Soviets had to make sure that many different groups of people with deeply contrasting backgrounds did not start wars with each other. Muslims, Christians, Native Americans, and skinheads all had to live under one place. Actions by the Soviet Union have made the world a safe place to live. By standing down its stockpile of atomic warheads it ended the tensions with the United State that had the world in a state of "Cold War." By becoming a responsible member of the world community the Soviet Union has helped to create a more stable state of international affairs and a safer planet. Vladimir Lenin was the greatest example of a politician who is truly for the people. Before he lost power he decriminalized homosexuality (first nation in Europe to do so). He restored equality and helped the workers. He was truly a people's person and touched so many people that they were queuing to pay their respect to him. He helped people with money and kept as many people as he could happy. As well for Stalin, I believe Stalin was a good leader because he did not act solely as a dictator. Stalin sat up a Soviet command which gave people the confidence to disagree with Stalin without risking their lives. His impact on WWII cannot be understated, he overcame the German attacks, and ultimately defeated them until both nations collapsed. He saved the world from Hitler's quest for world domination under Nazism.
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Post 03 Sep 2015, 17:42
Welcome to SE. Thanks for your testimonial. I disagree with quite a bit of your assessment, but it's a very interesting perspective, nonetheless.

One thing, though: You might want to break up some of these long paragraphs. A big block of text is quite difficult to absorb, and may discourage a few of our forum members from reading it (particularly those of us whose native language is not English).
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Post 03 Sep 2015, 17:51
Welcome to what some call the "Stalinist Hub of the Internet" Ms. Stalin. You'll find a lot of people here who love Comrade Stalin including myself whose family lived under the Stalinist regime in Socialist Ukraine.

Unfortunately you'll also find a lot of people here who hate Stalin as well so you may have to get used to that.


Then again maybe not because this place is mostly inactive these days.

I agree with mostly everything you're saying and will post a longer response a little later. Hope you stick around and enjoy.

You have a fascinating back story.

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I've given my opinions on the topic of homosexuality in the USSR before and so will only quote myself:

Yeqon wrote:
Guy Burgess was a raging homosexual who lived an openly gay lifestyle when he defected to the USSR. This was in 1951. Stalin knew full well that he was gay and yet still approved of his defecting to Moscow, as well as agreeing to Guy being gifted a large luxury apartment in the heart of Moscow in recognition of his immeasurable contributions to the communist cause. He would later have drunken orgies in this very same apartment yet he is still recognised as a hero of the communist cause.

My mother also told me that she had a few male homosexual friends in the 70s so all this talk about a government sponsored persecution of gay people sounds dubious to me.

I'm not saying that gay people didn't have it harder back then as only homosexuals who lived in the USSR could give a definitive answer to that question; but one thing I'm sure of is try as you may, it is impossible to eradicate a perfectly normal sexual orientation from society, which is exactly what being gay is and that's already been accepted by the majority of the scientific community.

When I was a teenager I would idealistically and vehemently argue against the injustices of modern laws that denied to the masses their biological rights to do what it was they desired to do with their bodies. By the time I was 21 though I realised it was much easier to simply say "Yes! Yes! Yes!" to all the socially conservative people out there while going back and doing whatever it was I wanted to do in the first place when they've all got their backs turned.

Just because a law is passed for political gains upon which the legislative party may not even believe in doesn't mean that it will be enforced or taken seriously. So a bullshit law concerning gay people was passed in order to appeal to a more conservative society; so what? It certainly doesn't mean that it had any real effect. It also certainly is not a worthy aspect upon which accurate objective judgments about soviet society can be made.

Remember when prohibition laws were passed in 1920s America? Nobody gave a flying frag and drank away regardless and the same thing is going on today with a whole lot of made up laws all over the world; laws with the sole purpose of political promotion and social appeasement rather than actually trying to achieve something practical within the society it's implemented in.

There were gay people in the USSR regardless of whatever laws were passed and if there are any documents proving that people were arrested and prosecuted for homosexuality in the USSR I'd like to see them, otherwise I don't even know what we're talking about here.

quote from—Sereisky, Great Soviet Encyclopedia, 1930, p. 593

"Soviet legislation does not recognise so-called crimes against morality. Our laws proceed from the principle of protection of society and therefore countenance punishment only in those instances when juveniles and minors are the objects of homosexual interest ... while recognising the incorrectness of homosexual development ... our society combines prophylactic and other therapeutic measures with all the necessary conditions for making the conflicts that afflict homosexuals as painless as possible and for resolving their typical estrangement from society within the collective."

The law against sex with minors was included in the post 1933 prohibition of male homosexuality while a law against lesbians was never enacted. There were openly lesbian members in the communist party as well as in the soviet military. There are no documents proving that anyone was arrested for adult male homosexuality, only for pedophilia upon which the penalty was 5 years then and is still 5 years now.

Stalin's favourite Soviet film director Sergei Eisenstein was also a homosexual. That however did not stop him from being given numerous Soviet awards including the Stalin State Prize for his artistic achievements.

Was the law enacted in 1933 vague? Yes.

Was it backwards and inaccurate, subject to exploitation? Yes.

Is homophobia in the USSR being exaggerated by anti-Soviet communists and by borderline racist Russophobes? Most definitely yes.

I lived in Kiev and visited gay bars occasionally and I didn't notice homophobia that was exceptionally obvious and singular to Slavic people alone. There are 3 gay night clubs that are a 15~20 minute walk from the Maidan alone. Yes cross-dressing gay men were beaten up occasionally when out in the open; and yes I believe Eastern Slavs are less open to homosexual activity than say people in Amsterdam, but there definitely isn't any governmental or national offensive against gay people there. Most people couldn't care less one way or the other.
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Post 03 Sep 2015, 22:18
Welcome Akecheta,

Agreed with Yeqon and Comrade Gulper. This is a very interesting assessment. Being the internet, no one can really prove or disprove what you say regarding your relation to Stalin, but you seem to offer a personalized defense of the man and his rule, and there appears to be a hint of pain defending the great revolutionary against the inevitably biased way in which he is portrayed in the West, even among many communists (i.e. put on the same bookshelf as Hitler in every fancy bookstore).

For me, among the most important things you've mentioned is the point that as Marxists, we must "analyze the conditions of history to provide explanations that are made out to be dull, black and white phenomenons by anti-communist propaganda." Nowhere is this more relevant than a discussion of Stalin, who has been dragged through so much dirt over the years.

The second important point you make, in my view, is the one about the "masses of Soviet citizens rising from poverty and illiteracy." As a Russian, this is extremely personal and important to me, given that I know from my own family history how my grandparents went from being illiterate peasants, to workers, farmers and soldiers who could read and write, while their offspring would go on to become university educated teachers, engineers, artists and doctors. And the same is true of almost literally every family across the entire country of nearly 300 million.

Like Comrade Gulper, I don't exactly agree with every single point you make (or to put it another way, certain nuances or word choices). But I absolutely agree with the general drift of what you say.

Also, I agree with Yeqon's analysis of homosexuality in the Soviet Union. To the end of its days, it was on the legal code, but the reality was more like a 'don't ask don't tell' situation in most cases.
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Post 04 Sep 2015, 19:14
I always welcome people who defend Stalin, and now we have a relative of Stalin? Too good to be true!

Akecheta wrote:
Many people across the former USSR want communism back. Now, communism is a stateless, moneyless, and classless society. The USSR was only in the socialist stage. Despite heavy censorship, people never had to face unemployment, poverty, and other issues. Bread lines only happened during WWII and Gorbachev's reign of terror. It never was communist, but it definitely made lives happy and easier to live. The Soviets kept peace among deeply-divided people. The Soviet Union made the world a safer place in their own neck of the woods, which spans two continents. The Soviets had to make sure that many different groups of people with deeply contrasting backgrounds did not start wars with each other. Muslims, Christians, Native Americans, and skinheads all had to live under one place. Actions by the Soviet Union have made the world a safe place to live. By standing down its stockpile of atomic warheads it ended the tensions with the United State that had the world in a state of "Cold War." By becoming a responsible member of the world community the Soviet Union has helped to create a more stable state of international affairs and a safer planet. Vladimir Lenin was the greatest example of a politician who is truly for the people. Before he lost power he decriminalized homosexuality (first nation in Europe to do so). He restored equality and helped the workers. He was truly a people's person and touched so many people that they were queuing to pay their respect to him. He helped people with money and kept as many people as he could happy. As well for Stalin, I believe Stalin was a good leader because he did not act solely as a dictator. Stalin sat up a Soviet command which gave people the confidence to disagree with Stalin without risking their lives. His impact on WWII cannot be understated, he overcame the German attacks, and ultimately defeated them until both nations collapsed. He saved the world from Hitler's quest for world domination under Nazism.


Lenin and Stalin are the great leaders of not only Soviet people, but also the great leaders of all communist movements in the world. The proletariat back in those days were strong and determined, and therefore, great leaders like Lenin and Stalin were born. The capitalists call him tyrant, because he was a "bad leader" according to their standards, but for the proletariat, he was really a good leader.

soviet78 wrote:
For me, among the most important things you've mentioned is the point that as Marxists, we must "analyze the conditions of history to provide explanations that are made out to be dull, black and white phenomenons by anti-communist propaganda." Nowhere is this more relevant than a discussion of Stalin, who has been dragged through so much dirt over the years.


Agreed.

soviet78 wrote:
The second important point you make, in my view, is the one about the "masses of Soviet citizens rising from poverty and illiteracy." As a Russian, this is extremely personal and important to me, given that I know from my own family history how my grandparents went from being illiterate peasants, to workers, farmers and soldiers who could read and write, while their offspring would go on to become university educated teachers, engineers, artists and doctors. And the same is true of almost literally every family across the entire country of nearly 300 million.


Not only Russian, but working people in the world too. My family directly indebted of the communist movement, whose leader was Stalin. Without the communist movement, my parents, who were born in peasant's family cannot become teacher and engineer. Therefore, I always vow to use my knowledge and skills for the sake of the proletariat, for the sake of the people, so that the future generation won't need to live in the capitalist society like ourselves.


Recently, I was a little depressed that I have not visited the board for a long time. The situation in Vietnam was so bad that it nearly resembled the Soviet Union in 1990s. While the economy is not in state of chaos, they are chanting liberalization, "democratization", market, privatization everywhere. I am feeling estranged in my own motherland. Akecheta's post have made me little more optimistic than before. Thank you, Akecheta.
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It's true, I am related to Joseph Vissarionovich Stalin. My name is formerly Jorden Dykes, but since I'm transgender I can change my name and since he's family I can change my last name to his.
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Post 04 Sep 2015, 20:01
This is the Stalinist hub of the Internet, and there are a few transgender folks here. I'm part moray myself so, in a roundabout way, you're in the right place.

Do you have a favorite cause or party?
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Post 04 Sep 2015, 20:05
Welcome to S-E.

Comrade Gulper wrote:
This is the Stalinist hub of the Internet, and there are a few transgender folks here. I'm part moray myself so, in a roundabout way, you're in the right place.

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Post 04 Sep 2015, 20:20
Comrade Gulper wrote:
Do you have a favorite cause or party?


Yes. I'm affiliated with:

    Communist Party USA
    Red Guards - Los Angeles
    Revolutionary Communist Party, USA
    Party for Socialism and Liberation - PSL
    Indigenous People's Liberation Party
    The Revolutionary Alliance of Trans People Against Capitalism
    Workers World Party
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lol that last one is RATPAC. I gotta check them out.

Also why CPUSA? You should check out the Worker's World.
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Post 05 Sep 2015, 03:50
Interesting....

I have to agree with the sentiments and opinions already expressed.

Comrade Stalin's Demonisation is long familiar but at least for me easily dismissed.
Like all Men he was flawed but he achieved so much for so many.
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Post 05 Sep 2015, 19:21
Welcome to the board.
Most of us here have a pretty nuanced, balanced view of Joe. You won't find much in the way of kneejerk condemnation, and I know one of the parties you listed (PSL) has a lot of supporters here.

...although, not to be rude or anything, but do you mind explaining why the only references to Keke Geladze's mother being Louisa Claflin appear to come from yourself in other locations? Most sources cite her mother as one Melania Homezurashvili, a much more typical Georgian name.
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Post 05 Sep 2015, 19:41
Stalin was an anti-Bolshevik butcher and enemy of the international proletariat.
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And Trotsky was a crypto-fascist who wanted to ride German tanks into Moscow.
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Apparently Louisa gave birth to Keke, and Melania adopted Keke.... but this will not be published. Oh the irony. But what should I expect, Wikipedia doesn't seek the truth anyway.

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Yeah, but Wikipedia's far from the only source on that. Why wouldn't it be published? Who gains from a conspiracy to cover up Stalin's mom's parentage? And have you any evidence Stalin's mother was born to a woman named Claflin, a Scottish surname, and then adopted by a Georgian?

I'm open to whatever defense you may have; but if the whole "Stalin's my cousin" story is untrue, why say it? We're about improving the lot of humanity, not hero-worship. Relation to some kind of figure is not only unnecessary, it lends you no extra prestige. You can be expected to honor your relatives, but your own achievements are what matter. Anything else is dynasticism. If I judged myself by my closest famous relative, it'd be Kevin fragging Bacon. In politics specifically, Richard Milhous Nixon. "Colossally meh actor" and "I sympathize personally, would vehemently oppose him politically" respectively.
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Yeah, but Wikipedia's far from the only source on that. Why wouldn't it be published? Who gains from a conspiracy to cover up Stalin's mom's parentage? And have you any evidence Stalin's mother was born to a woman named Claflin, a Scottish surname, and then adopted by a Georgian?


Louisa Almeda Claflin gave birth to Keke Geladze (Joseph Stalin's mother), and Melania Homezurashvili adopted Keke.... but this will not be published. Why? Because Simon Sebag Montefiore​ didn't include this information in his book(s). In all fairness though, he probably didn't know about this, neither did I. But everyone is just using his book(s) as proof since it lists Melania Homezurashvili as the mother of Keke. It's ironic that a book is being used as the only source. The only person I have on my side is that Russian witness who spoke to Louisa Almeda Claflin when Louisa gave birth to Keke. This Russian witness spoke to the doctors even, but apparently an anti-Stalin book is more "trustworthy" and "reliable" according to Wikipedia.
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Post 06 Sep 2015, 23:24
You're somehow related to Mr. Bacon Miss Love?

You think Kevin Bacon is meh? One of the best actors never to have won an oscar? One of the bravest actors ever; highly praised for taking some of the most risqué, provocative and controversial roles of all time?

Kevin Bacon is the fragging man. My god I can remember so many roles of his that just gut the audiences to pieces.

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Wikipedia did publish Louisa to be Keke's mother for a few hours though.
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Post 07 Sep 2015, 04:17
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Yeah, but Wikipedia's far from the only source on that. Why wouldn't it be published? Who gains from a conspiracy to cover up Stalin's mom's parentage? And have you any evidence Stalin's mother was born to a woman named Claflin, a Scottish surname, and then adopted by a Georgian?

I'm open to whatever defense you may have; but if the whole "Stalin's my cousin" story is untrue, why say it? We're about improving the lot of humanity, not hero-worship. Relation to some kind of figure is not only unnecessary, it lends you no extra prestige. You can be expected to honor your relatives, but your own achievements are what matter. Anything else is dynasticism. If I judged myself by my closest famous relative, it'd be Kevin fragging Bacon. In politics specifically, Richard Milhous Nixon. "Colossally meh actor" and "I sympathize personally, would vehemently oppose him politically" respectively.

Well , since we appear to be mentioning notable , and especially political relatives , however distant , I myself am related to the Weiser , and quite possibly Muhlenberg political dynasties https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conrad_Weiser https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhlenberg_family , on my father's mother's side. You can trace it yourself , if any of you are so inclined http://trees.ancestry.com/tree/41816756/family?cfpid=19688264236. I agree with Miss Strangelove. While studying family history can be interesting , and even sometimes inspiring , we should not let it define us , and vainly boast of our family relations. And/or revile others whom are not from as noble or notable heritage. By the way , in the interest of full disclosure , I also believe that I'm also all but certainly a distant cousin of Adolf Hitler. My last name is Stumpner , plus my family and his were both originally from Bavaria. Look at his family tree , and see for yourself http://familypedia.wikia.com/wiki/Adolf_Hitler_(1889-1945)#Family. One of his great-great grandmothers was a Stumpner. So this is a forum where Communists , one being related to Stalin , and the other a probable relative of Hitler , can interact. Isn't that neat ?
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So this is a forum where Communists, one being related to Stalin, and the other a probable relative of Hitler, can interact. Isn't that neat?


I prefer not to communicate with anyone related to Hitler or those who support fascism.
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