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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 12 Dec 2013, 22:40
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Post 10 May 2014, 17:34
Hello guys, didnt knew where to make this thread. But i found a rare picture of comrade Stalin and Lenin that i would like to share

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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 16 Jul 2014, 21:53
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Post 23 Jul 2014, 01:11
Wasnt this photo discredited a long time ago ?
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Post 23 Jul 2014, 20:08
Uncle Joe is like "I'm gonna be the Man in USSR" and Lenin's like "Hey, wait till you read what I wrote about you in my will"
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Post 23 Jul 2014, 20:28
Stalinista wrote:
Uncle Joe is like "I'm gonna be the Man in USSR" and Lenin's like "Hey, wait till you read what I wrote about you in my will"



It wasn't that bad, besides it was written when he was in a highly emotional state after he had already suffered several strokes to boot. After all, Uncle Joe succeeded in fulfilling Lenin's dream of bringing communism to Germany, well half of it at least. I bet Lenin would have been proud to see Berlin captured, mighty proud indeed.

Oh and I don't think there's any solid reason to believe that the photo is fake because there are many photos of Lenin and Stalin together.
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Post 23 Jul 2014, 21:17
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It wasn't that bad, besides it was written when he was in a highly emotional state after he had already suffered several strokes to boot. After all, Uncle Joe succeeded in fulfilling Lenin's dream of bringing communism to Germany, well half of it at least. I bet Lenin would have been proud to see Berlin captured, mighty proud indeed..

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Post 25 Jul 2014, 12:01
Haha, why not take the opportunity to show some of the lesser known stuff Lenin wrote about Stalin?

In The Question of Nationalities or "Autonomisation" (1922), Lenin wrote:

[W]ere we careful enough to take measures to provide the non-Russians with a real safeguard against the truly Russian bully? I do not think we took such measures although we could and should have done so.

I think that Stalin's haste and his infatuation with pure administration, together with his spite against the notorious "nationalist-socialism" [Stalin criticised the minority nations for not being "internationalist" because they did want to unite with Russia], played a fatal role here. In politics spite generally plays the basest of roles.

I also fear that Comrade Dzerzhinsky, who went to the Caucasus to investigate the "crime" of those "nationalist-socialists", distinguished himself there by his truly Russian frame of mind (it is common knowledge that people of other nationalities who have become Russified over-do this Russian frame of mind) and that the impartiality of his whole commission was typified well enough by Orjonikidze's "manhandling". I think that no provocation or even insult can justify such Russian manhandling and that Comrade Dzerzhinsky was inexcusably guilty in adopting a light-hearted attitude towards it.

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The Georgian [Stalin] who is neglectful of this aspect of the question, or who carelessly flings about accusations of "nationalist-socialism" (whereas he himself is a real and true "nationalist-socialist", and even a vulgar Great-Russian bully), violates, in substance, the interests of proletarian class solidarity, for nothing holds up the development and strengthening of proletarian class solidarity so much as national injustice; "offended" nationals are not sensitive to anything so much as to the feeling of equality and the violation of this equality, if only through negligence or jest- to the violation of that equality by their proletarian comrades.

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The political responsibility for all this truly Great-Russian nationalist campaign must, of course, be laid on Stalin and Dzerzhinsky.
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Post 25 Jul 2014, 21:41
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violates, in substance, the interests of proletarian class solidarity, for nothing holds up the development and strengthening of proletarian class solidarity so much as national injustice;


This is like the history of everything from china to greece, to buffer states to prevent another invasion of the USSR, to even the 'Great Russian Chauvinism' of Stalin by doing things like reversing Korenization and renaming the military to 'Soviet Army'. The whole 'Soviet' identity in general. It's how Latvia went from producing one of the most famous red units of the civil war to fighting for the Germans and being a very Russophobic country.

And of course the treatment of 'un-patriotic' national minorities, though given they may have collaborated with the nazis.

We are seeing the fruits of this aspect of Stalin that Lenin is talking about today:

Trotsky wrote:
Not a trace remains of the former confidence and sympathy of the Western Ukrainian masses for the Kremlin. Since the latest murderous “purge” in the Ukraine no one in the West wants to become part of the Kremlin satrapy which continues to bear the name of Soviet Ukraine. The worker and peasant masses in the Western Ukraine, in Bukovina, in the Carpatho-Ukraine are in a state of confusion: Where to turn? What to demand? This situation naturally shifts the leadership to the most reactionary Ukrainian cliques who express their “nationalism” by seeking to sell the Ukrainian people to one imperialism or another in return for a promise of fictitious independence. Upon this tragic confusion Hitler bases his policy in the Ukrainian question. At one time we said: but for Stalin (i.e., but for the fatal policy of the Comintern in Germany) there would have been no Hitler. To this can now be added: but for the rape of Soviet Ukraine by the Stalinist bureaucracy there would be no Hitlerite Ukrainian policy.


It is a disastrous combination of Lenin-era Korenization (which attached Novorossiya & the Donbass to Ukraine) and Stalin-era Russian chauvinism (which drove West Ukraine, only added to the USSR after WW2, into the arms of the nazis and they continue to this day to be Banderist shitheads)
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Post 25 Jul 2014, 21:43
Yes, Lenin's Letters to Congress (there's a Last Works section on marxists.org) are mindblowingly awesome. They settle a whole number of debates Lenin wasn't even aware of, just by passing remarks.
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Post 26 Jul 2014, 08:42
Conscript wrote:
It is a disastrous combination of Lenin-era Korenization (which attached Novorossiya & the Donbass to Ukraine) and Stalin-era Russian chauvinism (which drove West Ukraine, only added to the USSR after WW2, into the arms of the nazis and they continue to this day to be Banderist shitheads)


I somehow doubt that many Ukrainians were "Banderist shitheads" in the 1945-89 period. These tendencies may have existed, but it took the dismantling of the USSR to set things in motion. It's a bit of a stretch to blame Stalin even for what happens in Ukraine today.

It doesn't even make sense: you say that they were "driven into the arms of the nazis" with the annexation after WWII, but what nazis are we even talking about at that point?
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Post 26 Jul 2014, 18:33
It's not a stretch to blame Stalin at all for national conflicts in the fSU.

They were driven into the arms of the nazis when West Ukraine was controlled by Poland and on the other side of the border Stalin was purging Ukraine, turning it into a 'Kremlin satrapy' and alienating Ukrainians, as Trotsky says. That did much to foster the modern Ukrainian divide.
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Post 27 Jul 2014, 05:10
AldoBrasil wrote:
Wasnt this photo discredited a long time ago ?


No. This picture was taken by Lenin's sister in 1922 when Stalin was visiting.

Another one :

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Post 27 Jul 2014, 23:48
Yeah, there are actually a ton of pictures available from that meeting. And it doesn't hide the pock-marks on Stalin's face, something a lot of doctored photos from that era do. Here's another:

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Post 27 Jul 2014, 23:56
Lenin - Tell me, comrad Stalin, have you been a good boy ?
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Post 25 Oct 2014, 08:42
Mabool wrote:
Haha, why not take the opportunity to show some of the lesser known stuff Lenin wrote about Stalin?
It's actually quite well known. As you yourself can see, the Soviet revisionists included it in Lenin's collected works. They referred to it various times as examples of Lenin "warning" Stalin, and Stalin in turn failing to "heed" these "warnings."

Erik Van Ree in his article "Lenin's Last Struggle Revisited" (which can be sent to people if they PM me their email) gives a good overview of the dispute (as well as other subjects.)
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Post 12 Mar 2016, 21:00
Nobody else is more evil than Hitler. Hitler massacred the Jews and perceived enemies. Stalin's socialist in one country, killed only his enemies and perceived enemies. If you are a little swayed by anti-Stalin exposes here, just think of a CIA assassin who killed his victims or Israel who dragged children as collateral damage. I'd say nobody is sinless here or any among persons involved. You do not have to repent. "Religion will not save us. Our conscience will"- Bible.
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Post 26 Mar 2016, 19:49
Just have a good look at those two pictures and you will see that at least one was doctored. It was "at least" mirrored because it seems as if they wear different clothes from one shot to another - in one their jackets are buttoned from left to right and the other picture shows them buttoned up from right to left.
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Post 28 Mar 2016, 15:39
Obviously the image was mirrored, unless you think Lenin and Stalin rearranged what they were sitting on.

But there is no evidence that the photos were altered otherwise.
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Post 25 Apr 2016, 21:31
What's so "rare" about those pictures is that they show Stalin in time when his hands were not drenched in blood as in later years.
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Post 27 Apr 2016, 04:43
In other words you were talking out of your ass and can't back up what you say.
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Post 28 Apr 2016, 23:42
Read *ANY* non-biased biography of Stalin and you will realize he was a butcher par excellence. I am prepared to wage 1.000.000 $ that you never read anything even remotely non-biased (ie unfavourable) on Stalin.
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