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Stalin and his cult

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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 07 Jul 2012, 03:04
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Post 10 Nov 2012, 18:07
Political Interest wrote:
Is it true Stalin abused Lenin's wife down the phone?

I think he just called her a "bitch."
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 06 Dec 2009, 23:17
Post 10 Nov 2012, 18:36
From one RT site i found:

On December 23, 1922, Joseph Stalin had a phone conversation with Nadezhda Krupskaya, Vladimir Lenin’s wife, in which he insulted her with a series of extremely rude comments. The incident was the last straw for Lenin, who was already against making Stalin his successor.

Relations between Stalin and Krupskaya had never been friendly. Some of the Cheka Emergency Security Committee members recalled one incident that started the opposition between the two. Krupskaya once complained to Stalin about Lenin paying too much attention to other women and asked that Lenin’s morality be put on the agenda of one of the Party Committee’s sessions. Stalin satisfied her request; however, he himself and many other Party members found the matter to be more entertaining than deserving of serious attention.

By then, Krupskaya was already an ageing, unattractive woman, while Lenin’s popularity with women was common knowledge, so Stalin jokingly suggested to Krupskaya to abstain from her excessive political work and to focus on mending her family life instead. To make things worse for Krupskaya, upon hearing about the story, Lenin himself couldn’t but laugh. The outraged Krupskaya thereafter became Stalin’s enemy, and she did her best to hold back his political advancement.

On December 15, 1922, as Lenin’s health was seriously deteriorating, the doctors forbade him from a high degree of involvement in political affairs. However, Krupskaya neglected doctors’ regulations and resumed writing notes to Lenin’s dictations, as he had requested. Weakened by excessive work, Lenin felt worse on December 23.

Stalin, outraged by Krupskaya having violated the doctors’ regulations, told her off during a phone conversation, to which Krupskaya retorted she knew better and her private life with Lenin was none of Stalin’s business. To that, Stalin responded with the following: “In bed you might know what is right and what is wrong – here we are talking about the Party, and its interests matter to me a lot more! Sleeping with the leader does not mean having the exclusive right to him. Lenin does not belong solely to you, but to the Party as well… even more!”\

According to other sources, Stalin was even ruder, saying “using the same bathroom” instead of “the same bed” or even calling Krupskaya a loose woman. As Lenin’s sister Maria recalled, “Krupskaya was extremely shattered by the conversation with Stalin; she was not herself, crying and rolling about on the floor.”
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 07 Oct 2004, 22:04
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Post 11 Nov 2012, 01:01
Wow, even if Stalin had a point about Lenin's health, it was extraordinarily rude of him to talk to his wife that way. It got me to wondering about Lenin's dictations though. Was Krupskaya the only one that took dictation, or were there others? Because if she's the only one there is the strong possibility that she edited, emphasized or muted certain points. Hence documents like Lenin's testament, even if they are real, may require some rethinking on that basis.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 07 Jul 2012, 03:04
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Post 11 Nov 2012, 21:29
"Shortly after this [testiment] was written, but with no knowledge of it, Stalin rebuked Lenin's wife for burdening him with Party matters and not conserving his strength. Lenin, much annoyed when this was reported to him, then added to his previous note [...] It is quite clear that Lenin, deathly sick, was thinking entirely in terms of preventing a split in the Party, which he foresaw. [...] For nearly a year while he lived Lenin did nothing with his statement and it was only after his death that it was presented to the party. When it was presented, Stalin offered his resignation but the party, including Trotsky, would not accept it."
Davis, Jerome. Behind Soviet Power. 1946. p. 25
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 14 Aug 2012, 01:16
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Post 14 Nov 2012, 10:06
It is wrong and misogynist to project Krupskaya's positions only as personal. Krupskaya had her own political positions. She had temporarily sympathized with the left-opposition, when it was indeed a political tendency. Later she sided with Stalin and remained loyal to Marxism-Leninism for the rest of her life.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 24 Feb 2004, 06:15
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Post 14 Nov 2012, 23:00
TBH I think that the private lives of Lenin, Stalin, Trotsky, et al are being given too much importance, IMO. The fates of nations and revolutions do not twist with the actions of a single man (regardless of what Trotskites might say).
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