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Nicolae Ceausescu

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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 10 Oct 2007, 15:55
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Post 28 Aug 2008, 15:45
I'm not really sure what to think of this guy. Was he a great leader who then became a terrible leader? Was he his wife's puppet? Was he crazy? I want to know some info on him. I've gained interest in him because I've just seen his execution video.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 04 Jun 2008, 21:19
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Post 28 Aug 2008, 17:21
Ceauşescu was a maverick in my opinion.
He completely drifted away from reality during his reign. He was a friend of Mobutu Sese Seko, one of the greatest monsters in African history, he was not critical at all of Pinochet and he was basically a Romanian nationalist.
I didn't even mention the huge debt accumulated due to his split with the Warsaw Pact nations and his anti-abortion stance. Hell, he was even backed by the USA.
He was nuts.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 10 Oct 2007, 15:55
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Post 29 Aug 2008, 15:28
Figured so, while watching his execution video he seems out of it.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 02 Mar 2004, 15:19
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Post 29 Aug 2008, 20:35
He was one of the few priviledged nations that could play west off of east without getting invaded.

Albania did it best where they played west off of east off of china.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 03 Oct 2009, 17:50
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Post 11 Oct 2009, 16:29
Nicolae Ceausescu got imprisoned when he was only 15 years old (I think that would be enough to admire) because of his Socialist struggles, spent his youth fighting Nazi-Fascism, was deported to a concentration camp. If I compare him with the spoon-feed teenagers I see in my country, who know nothing but how to dress themselves to appear as perfect idiots wearing all the logos of the worst imperialist transnational corporations... He made big mistakes, surely, like the loans from the West, making Romania fall into an economical disaster just in order not to be dependent upon the URSS's collaboration, which he judged unfair, cfr. the dissolution of the SovRoms.
As to the point about abortion, I strongly agree with Ceausescu because it is clear to me that a foetus or embryo are not organs of their mother: they have their DNA, they biologically are individual; and they are not plants or other animals, they are human: human individuals, and I do not condone killing human individuals, that is people, except as a form of self-defence and provided it is justified, as in a Revolution, and foetuses do not fight countre-revolutions. Moreover, they are sentient beings since the earliest stages of their development (even before the formation of the sympathic system: for ex. lobsters do not have a sympathic systems, but they have been proved to be sentient by scientists), if that mattered, but I do not condone killing non-sentient people either (like anestethize an unsympathetic neighbour before killing him). It is clear to me that one does not need believe in a soul, or in the cults of fundamentalist pro-war Christians, to realize that.
A giant error he did was in the field of the struggle against AIDS, since he denied it, at least in his country. As at least some of us may know, HIV is not so surely proved to be the cause of AIDS, as scientists like Peter Duesberg think. Though, I think a seronegative person must behave as if it were, absolutely avoiding "unsafe sex", contact with blood etc.. But I do not know whether I would like to take anti-retroviral drugs if I discovered to be HIV seropositive.
Ceausescu made errors, as everybody makes, but I think he was a courageous Communist leader, one that many Romanians, as I see among Romanians migrated here, mourn. I remember how much I cried the December 26th when the barbarous contre-revolution slaughtered him and his wife, videotaping the murder with bestial pleasure.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 14 Jul 2008, 20:01
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Post 11 Oct 2009, 19:25
Um.

Unlike any other socialist leader that I can think of, actually the majority of Romanians wanted Ceausescu deposed. I guess he deserved what happened to him.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 03 Oct 2009, 17:50
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Post 11 Oct 2009, 22:18
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the majority of Romanians wanted Ceausescu deposed.


...with the results that can be seen in the Capitalist restoration by a gang of authoritarian country-selling Lumpenbourgeois virulent Anti-Communists.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 14 Jul 2008, 20:01
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Post 11 Oct 2009, 22:26
There's something like a lumpenbourgeoisie ôo?

btw I'm not saying that today's Romania is better than it was under Ceausescu, all I'm saying is Ceausescu must have been bad as well, and therefore, not to be supported either.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 03 Oct 2009, 17:50
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Post 12 Oct 2009, 15:17
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There's something like a lumpenbourgeoisie ôo?


It is a term sometimes used to define a bourgeoisie submitting itself to another, usually foreign, bourgeoisie in order to better exploit the local proletariat. The first examples coming to my mind are the Latin American bourgeoisie which, differently than other national bourgeoisie, do not even spouse a form of anti-imperialist thirld world nationalism against the plunder of resources and invasion of markets, subduing itself to the interests of the North American Imperialist bourgeoisie in order to have the necessary help to keep the local fed up proletariat under their oppression, and, similarly, the Eastern European countre-revolutionary bourgeoisie, that has reduced the wealth of its countries into pieces of cake with which they and their Western allies banquet.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 27 Oct 2006, 23:10
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Post 12 Oct 2009, 19:51
Never heard of that term. We usually call them comprador bourgeoisie.
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Post 12 Oct 2009, 20:14
Also "Lumpen" means "rags". That's why the lumpenproletariat is called lumpenproletariat, because it usually wore rags at Marx's time. It doesn't make much sense for the bourgeoisie to be called like that. Also, the lumpenproletariat is no part of the actual proletariat, whereas the comprador bourgeoisie certainly is a part of the acual bourgeoisie.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 27 Oct 2006, 23:10
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Post 12 Oct 2009, 21:05
I actually thought he was reffering to the mafia by calling them lumpenbourgeoisie.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 03 Oct 2009, 17:50
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Post 12 Oct 2009, 22:00
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I actually thought he was reffering to the mafia by calling them lumpenbourgeoisie.


Dear comrade Fitzy, yes, I was referring to the mafia, born out of the expropriation of the Eastern European peoples, too with that term. Well, not so much of the Eastern European bourgeoisie is not mafia... It is a derogatory term for a laquais ruling class exploiting the local proletariat and acting against their own interest as an independent bourgeoisie provided that their submission to foreign Imperialist interests lets them oppress their people.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 18 Sep 2004, 16:21
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Post 12 Oct 2009, 23:35
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Dear comrade Fitzy, yes, I was referring to the mafia, born out of the expropriation of the Eastern European peoples, too with that term. Well, not so much of the Eastern European bourgeoisie is not mafia... It is a derogatory term for a laquais ruling class exploiting the local proletariat and acting against their own interest as an independent bourgeoisie provided that their submission to foreign Imperialist interests lets them oppress their people.

That's usually called the "comprador bourgeoisie". Putting the prefix 'lumpen-' in front of a class usually means a substandard group within that class. For example, the lumpenproletariat are members of the working class who choose not to actually work, who lack any sense of class consciousness and solidarity, and usually earn their living through crimes against members of the working class. The bourgeoisie often employ them as hired thugs to repress workers' movements. There actually is a lumpenbourgeoisie - they are members of the bourgeois class who are morally and personally substandard to the more typical members of the bourgeoisie. For example, I would describe one of my relatives as a 'lumpenbourgeois' - he was educated at the best private schools in Edinburgh, went to Edinburgh University to train as a medical doctor and while studying there he was supplied by his family with a luxurious apartment filled with antiques. He became an alcoholic, failed his medical degree, drifted around the world siring illegitimate children, and ended his days being repeatedly arrested as a drunken vagrant by the police. He was a bourgeois equivalent of a lumpenproletarian - incompetent, selfish, self-indulgent and antisocial. This is different from a comprador bourgeois, who is usually highly competent and integrated into the mainstream bourgeois class. Furthermore, it refers to a bourgeois class which is in a particular relationship with the imperialist centres, and collaborates with those foreign imperialist centres in exploiting and oppressing its own nation. This is clearly not the same as a lumpenbourgeois.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 14 Jul 2008, 20:01
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Post 13 Oct 2009, 07:21
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For example, the lumpenproletariat are members of the working class who choose not to actually work, who lack any sense of class consciousness and solidarity, and usually earn their living through crimes against members of the working class.


How are they members of the working class then? I've always seen the lumpenproletariat as a separate class below the proletariat and peasants, which seems logical since they neither sell their labor power nor produce value in any way, which is what defines the proletariat. Or so I thought. The lumpenproletariat and the actual proletariat even have directly opposing class interests.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 07 Oct 2004, 22:04
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Post 13 Oct 2009, 08:07
By selling their labour to mafia bosses and the bourgeosie (as hired thugs)?
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 03 Oct 2009, 17:50
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Post 13 Oct 2009, 10:35
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There actually is a lumpenbourgeoisie - they are members of the bourgeois class who are morally and personally substandard to the more typical members of the bourgeoisie.


But the use I have found in Marxist literature is that which I explained, as in Hosam Aboul-Ela...
Dear comrade, are you the Potemkin having the same avatar that posted that* so beautiful Soviet victory GDM theme in Gnome-look.org? I have used it as my GDM theme for a very long time, when I used Gnome (now I am using KDE).


*This: http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show. ... c8baee7000
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 18 Sep 2004, 16:21
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Post 13 Oct 2009, 15:21
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But the use I have found in Marxist literature is that which I explained, as in Hosam Aboul-Ela...
Dear comrade, are you the Potemkin having the same avatar that posted that* so beautiful Soviet victory GDM theme in Gnome-look.org? I have used it as my GDM theme for a very long time, when I used Gnome (now I am using KDE).

Yep, that was me.
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