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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 10 May 2006, 07:44
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Post 08 Mar 2007, 18:38
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I first met Lenin in December 1905 on a bolshevik conference in Tammerforce (Finland). I was hoping to see the eagle of our party, a great man, not only politically, but, if you will, also physically, because Lenin in my imagination was drawn as a giant, with good stature and representation. And how deeply dissappointed I was when I saw an ordinary man, shorter than average, who wasn't different from ordinary mortals in anything, in anything at all... It's common order for a great man to be a bit late for meetings, so that the people who gathered wait for him with a trembling heart, and before a great man arrives the members are warned: "Tss... quiet... there he comes...". This ceremonial order didn't seem superfluous to me, because it impresses and instills respect.

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And how deeply dissappointed I was, when I knew that Lenin arrived for the meeting prior to the delegates, and, hiding somewhere in a corner, is leading an ordinary talk with ordinary delegates. I won't lie, this seemed to me at the time as a deviation from certain necessary rules.
I.V. Stalin. "About Lenin"//"Pravda". 1924. #34.

Posted without further comment. I'm not meting out judgement, I think this is interesting as it is.
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Post 08 Mar 2007, 20:19
I remember that in my edition of Lenin selected works from 1953, in the first volume around 1/3 of book contains texts of Stalin on Lenin. And this most usless works of Stalin from the 30-40.
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Post 08 Mar 2007, 22:33
The full quote is here:

http://www.marx2mao.com/Stalin/L24.html

And I think the translation is better, too.

For example, the mentioned city in which Stalin first met Lenin is not "Tammerforce" but either Tampere(Finnish language) or Tammerfors(Swedish language).

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Btw, there is a Lenin museum here in the same building.

http://www.lenin.fi/

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Here's how it continues from where the quotation in the original post ends:

Stalin wrote:
Only later did I realise that this simplicity and modesty, this striving to remain unobserved, or, at least, not to make himself conspicuous and not to emphasise his high position, this feature was one of Lenin's strongest points as the new leader of the new masses, of the simple and ordinary masses of the "rank and file" of humanity.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 07 Jan 2007, 06:42
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Post 08 Mar 2007, 23:38
The full article goes into quite unique detail regarding Lenin and his positive role amidst the Bolshevik party. He (Lenin) undoubtedly left a huge impression of Iosef Stalin.
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Post 09 Mar 2007, 03:52
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The two speeches Lenin delivered at this conference were remarkable: one was on the current situation and the other on the agrarian question. Unfortunately, they have not been preserved. They were inspired, and they roused the whole conference to a pitch of stormy enthusiasm. The extraordinary power of conviction, the simplicity and clarity of argument, the brief and easily understood sentences, the absence of affectation, of dizzying gestures and theatrical phrases aiming at effect -- all this made Lenin's speeches a favourable contrast to the speeches of the usual "parliamentary" orators.

But what captivated me at the time was not this aspect of Lenin's speeches. I was captivated by that irresistible force of logic in them which, although somewhat terse, gained a firm hold on his audience, gradually electrified it, and then, as one might say, completely overpowered it. I remember that many of the delegates said: "The logic of Lenin's speeches is like a mighty tentacle which twines all round you and holds you as in a vice and from whose grip you are powerless to tear yourself away: you must either surrender or resign your self to utter defeat."

I think that this characteristic of Lenin's speeches was the strongest feature of his art as an orator.

I like this.

Other memoirs of Lenin's contemporaries also stress that Stalin was almost always in great awe about Lenin, always highly impressed by him.
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Post 09 Mar 2007, 14:49
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He (Lenin) undoubtedly left a huge impression of Iosef Stalin.


For sure. Why i see Lenin good not only as ideologue but as well as human is that he keept away both Stalin and Lenin.

Now, stalinities are angry as you mention Lenin testament and trotkysties do the same as you show 'The Broke of August Bloc'.
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Post 30 Jun 2007, 13:28
To believe that the leader should be almighty and all seeing is foolish, the "Average" person is the perfect representation for the people!
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Post 30 Jun 2007, 14:55
The translation is b0rked. The real quote goes something along the lines of Stalin saying that when he saw him for the first time he was shocked that Lenin didn't pull the regular "Supreme Leader" act like other "leaders" did. He was amazed and impressed by the simplicity in Lenin's characteristics and that he truly and undoubtly was a man of the people.
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Post 30 Jun 2007, 15:02
Exactley my point Fontis.
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Post 02 Jul 2007, 04:00
John Reed on Lenin:
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"It was just 8.40 when a thundering wave of cheers announced the entrance of the presidium, with Lenin-great Lenin-among them. A short, stocky figure, with a big head set down in his shoulders, bald and bulging. Little eyes, a snubbish nose, wide, generous mouth, and heavy chin; clean-shaven now, but already beginning to bristle with the well-known beard of his past and future. Dressed in shabby clothes, his trousers much too long for him. Unimpressive, to be the idol of a mob, loved and revered as perhaps few leaders in history have been. A strange popular leader-a leader purely by virtue of intellect; colourless, humourless, uncompromising and detached, without picturesque idiosyncrasies-but with the power of explaining profound ideas in simple terms, of analysing a concrete situation. And combined with shrewdness, the greatest intellectual audacity." (from Ten Days That Shook the World)


Allan Moorehead also stated that "Lenin looked much more like a provincial grocer than a leader of men."
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Post 02 Jul 2007, 10:16
On the subject of Lenin,

Trotsky wrote:
When I try mentally with fresh eye and fresh ear to see and hear Lenin on the platform, as I did the first time, I see a strong and supple figure of medium height, and hear a smooth, rapid, uninterrupted voice, rather striking, almost without pauses, and at first without special emphasis.

The first sentences are usually general, the tone is a test one, the whole figure has not yet found its balance, the gestures are incomplete. The gaze is turned inward; the face is sullen and even vexed. His mind is seeking an approach to the audience. This introductory period lasts a long or short time according to the audience, the theme, and the mood of the speaker. But all at once he reaches the kernel of the matter. The theme becomes clear. The speaker bends the upper part of his body, and sticks his middle finger in the edge of his vest. As a result of this double movement his head and hands stand out. The head in itself does not seem large on the small but sturdy body, well formed and rhythmical. But his brow and the bare, arched forehead are powerful. His arms are very active but without exaggeration and nervousness. The hand is broad, short-fingered, “plebeian,” strong. It has the same traits of confidence and virile good nature as the whole figure. One sees that best when the speaker is stirred on feeling an opponent’s strategem, or has successfully set a trap for him. Then Lenin’s eyes look forth from their deep-set sockets as they are represented significantly in an excellent photograph taken in 1919. Even the indifferent listener is startled when he catches this look and waits to see what will happen. The edges of his cheek bones glow and soften in these moments of intense mental concentration, back of which one detects keen knowledge of people, relations, and situations. The lower part of the face with its reddish gray beard is almost in shadow. The voice loses its hardness, becomes flexible and soft, and in many moments astutely insinuating.


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Post 02 Jul 2007, 15:38
Wow, that Trotsky quote must be the biggest pile of bs I've ever read from him lol.
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Post 02 Jul 2007, 16:29
fontis + mention of trotsky= Luke Skywalker
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Post 02 Jul 2007, 17:06
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Wow, that Trotsky quote must be the biggest pile of bs I've ever read from him lol.


I take it that you and Eddier1 used to go watch Lenin prepare to speak and know his mannerisms well enough to contradict someone who was, undeniably, there.

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Post 02 Jul 2007, 17:41
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I take it that you and Eddier1 used to go watch Lenin prepare to speak and know his mannerisms well enough to contradict someone who was, undeniably, there.


No I havn't. I just find that particular Trotsky quote to be cheesy and well, to put it out straight, a piece of Trotsky.

Sensationalism ftw.
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Post 05 Nov 2007, 02:28
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Stalin on Lenin...



This title made me think this was a porn thread. Consider changing it.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 04 Aug 2007, 23:25
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Post 12 Dec 2007, 20:31
Stalin founded a religion about Lenin, so yes, Lenin has left a huge impression on Stalin.
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Post 12 Dec 2007, 20:35
Wakizashi, what exactly is that supposed to mean?
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Post 30 Jul 2009, 07:40
If anything, the quotes stated of Stalin on Lenin prove that Lenin was a true man of the people. He did not attempt to be better, or to stand out from the rest of his colleagues. He was a simple man who did not want to draw unprecedented attention, but rather, attempted to be equal with his comrades. Is equality not what the idea of communism is based on comrades?
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Post 07 Aug 2009, 01:31
lenin thought stalin was to cruel to be a leader.
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