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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 15 May 2007, 22:05
Unperson
Post 06 Jul 2007, 06:06
Comrade Fontis, I couldn't agree more.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 25 Mar 2007, 19:23
Unperson
Post 06 Jul 2007, 18:18
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That ideology has cost many lives, many of my comrades and relatives have been humiliated and executed due to that "stupid ideology". I oppose it everywhere, be it online or irl - it doesn't matter.


I don't have any ideology... I hate every fragging ideology (communism, nazism, socialism, fascism, liberalism etc...).

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Let us assume for a second here that you're actually right. Now, if it's all about the survival of the fittest, this would imply that everyone does everything for their own survival - thus helping others or offering others a service would be completely out of the question.


Yes, are you mr smart brains or what? That is natural... everything else (ideologies, religions, laws) are irrational, unnatural and just foolish. Only universal laws are the laws of nature and laws of physics... everything else is fragging crap.

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Sie sind kein übermensch, nor untermensch.


I am super human... what you are is a weak and closed-minded commie...

Work on your language! Try to formulate your thoughts in a less primitive way. spets.
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Komsomol
Post 06 Jul 2007, 18:26
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I don't have any ideology... I hate every fragging ideology (communism, nazism, socialism, fascism, liberalism etc...).


Yes you do. You just explained it.

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Only universal laws are the laws of nature and laws of physics... everything else is fragging crap.


Well unfortunately for you 'most' of humanity would not like living like cavemen. What about science and technology? Is that all crap too? Where do you draw the line?

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I am super human... what you are is a weak and closed-minded commie...


mm...ok. I'm gonna guess...13. Seriously...we are more mature than this. You are not super-human...and we're not closed-minded. In fact, if you want to show that you're NOT closed minded....why don't to show us some of your knowledge on our ideology that you despise so much. If you truly don't like communism...you must have some serious points as to why.
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Post 06 Jul 2007, 18:27
Ãœbermensch wrote:
Only universal laws are the laws of nature and laws of physics... everything else is fragging crap.


Hate to break it to you but physics aren't universal, or at least such a claim cannot be made.

Oh and your '(That anonymous mass killer)' bullshit is an ideology insult removed by spets.
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Komsomol
Post 06 Jul 2007, 18:29
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Oh and your '(That anonymous mass killer)' bullshit is an ideology idiot.


Come on people. Stop with the attacks.
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Post 06 Jul 2007, 18:32
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Come on people. Stop with the attacks


Its not an attack. He's being stupid. Pointing this out isn't always an attack.

You were attacking his ideas, which is ok but you attacked his person too, which is against the rules. spets.
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Komsomol
Post 06 Jul 2007, 18:35
It is if you don't point out why with reasons.

Its much more civil (and respectable) to say something like this:


"You should understand that your idea of ubermench, and that all ideologies are evil...is itself an ideology. An ideology is defined by a set of beliefs grounded in specific interpretations of reality. Therefore, your opinions about our ideology and your idea of ubermench is an ideology."
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Post 06 Jul 2007, 18:37
Do I need to point out that sun-light comes from the sun? When something is as blatantly obvious as this explanation is pointless.
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Post 06 Jul 2007, 20:13
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Unperson
Post 06 Jul 2007, 22:08
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mm...ok. I'm gonna guess...13. Seriously...we are more mature than this.


Im 18.

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In fact, if you want to show that you're NOT closed minded....why don't to show us some of your knowledge on our ideology that you despise so much. If you truly don't like communism...you must have some serious points as to why.


Yes, well commies have low-self esteem and they lack with their natural human power process and they join to some mass movement / ideology / organization and adopt their goals as their own because they have weak minds and feel powerfull only in that mass collective movement. They think USA is evil, imperialistic, warmongering, opressing etc... but socialist states were the same and their ideology is hostile and is like religion (splitting, good and evil). Socialists are also losers who want society to solve everyone's needs for them and take care of them. They are just mindless herd with ideology as religion and charismatic manipulators as their leaders / gods.
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Post 06 Jul 2007, 22:20
As far as I can see, the topic here is called 'Communist Dictators'! Please stick to it!
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Post 07 Jul 2007, 05:17
I love closet-case 14 year old teens who think they are rebels by calling themselves communists and preaching about shit, whilst they really have no idea what the teachings are really about.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 26 Jul 2006, 10:21
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Post 07 Jul 2007, 12:24
ANyone can make a list. Here's mine.

#1. George Bush
#2. A Zombie lord
#2. Darth Vader

etc., etc.

This list is pretty ridiculous, though. Speaking of "sealed" interiors where "people are starving to death" under "Evil madman Kim Jong Il"

"EVIL KIM JONG IL"

http://www.enlight.ru/camera/dprk/village2_e.html
http://www.enlight.ru/camera/dprk/village_e.html

"ASEAN TIGER"

http://web.uni-frankfurt.de/Aerzte-3Wel ... schen.html

So much for reliability.

http://www.enlight.ru/camera/dprk/index_e.html

Dunno much about Omar El Bashir, though...

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Yes, well commies have low-self esteem and they lack with their natural human power process and they join to some mass movement / ideology / organization


Actually we're smart enough to realize that people have enough brains to control the economic pie, and reap it equally rather than entrust 90%+ of it to 0.5% of the population and wage slave for a squalid 10%
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 26 Jun 2006, 15:59
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Post 07 Jul 2007, 14:01
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Yes, are you mr smart brains or what? That is natural... everything else (ideologies, religions, laws) are irrational, unnatural and just foolish. Only universal laws are the laws of nature and laws of physics... everything else is fragging crap.

I am super human... what you are is a weak and closed-minded commie...


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Yes, well commies have low-self esteem and they lack with their natural human power process and they join to some mass movement / ideology / organization and adopt their goals as their own because they have weak minds and feel powerfull only in that mass collective movement. They think USA is evil, imperialistic, warmongering, opressing etc... but socialist states were the same and their ideology is hostile and is like religion (splitting, good and evil). Socialists are also losers who want society to solve everyone's needs for them and take care of them. They are just mindless herd with ideology as religion and charismatic manipulators as their leaders / gods.


Humans are intelligent beings, at the top of the evolutionary chain on Earth. We got here through natural selection. Humans didn't develop laws, society, civilization spontaneously without reason, they were developed because modern civilization is preferable to living in caves, with no community.

Even animals form collectives, packs, and cooperate towards mutual ends, because they can achieve more working together than they can alone. Some even have primitive means of communication, the simple fact that this trait evolved is proof that natural selection favours a higher form of life, a stronger lifeform capable of working together and co-operating, capable of achieving more together than alone.

As a human you have a choice, but by resigning yourself to primitive individualist survivalism you do nothing but demean yourself down to the status of the most primitive animals, that's not a "super human".

You seem to completly miss the point, humans are a social species, we evolved the traits of communication and society, to reject them in favour of a primitive animalistic nature is taking steps back against evolution.
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Post 07 Jul 2007, 14:21
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As a human you have a choice, but by resigning yourself to primitive individualist survivalism you do nothing but demean yourself down to the status of the most primitive animals, that's not a "super human".


This reminds me of Hobbes and how he described the process of leaving the 'natural life form' in order to form political communities for security and production maximisation.

Extreme individualism, like yours, is only possible if you have a hypocritical attitude concerning your 'personal individualism' because every human is depends on other humans and there cannot be something like an Ãœbermensch.

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You seem to completly miss the point, humans are a social species, we evolved the traits of communication and society, to reject them in favour of a primitive animalistic nature is taking steps back against evolution.


That is so qft!
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Post 07 Jul 2007, 18:37
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You seem to completly miss the point, humans are a social species, we evolved the traits of communication and society, to reject them in favour of a primitive animalistic nature is taking steps back against evolution.


excellent observation.

It is interesting how people who have embraced the idea of 'superhuman' in history (Nazis, Eugenic scientists...etc) have always neglected the fact that evolution has pushed us BEYOND evolution itself. We no longer need natural selection and are able to care for the species with our own collective effort.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 26 Jul 2006, 10:21
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Post 08 Jul 2007, 19:40
Seriously- coming back to "communist dictators" how the frag did Omar Al Bashir of Sudan figure into the list? As a COMMUNIST dictator, that too...
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Post 08 Jul 2007, 19:45
The list was the 20 worst dictators. It just so happened that there were five communist leaders on that list. The topic is based on those five people.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 26 Jul 2006, 10:21
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Post 08 Jul 2007, 19:50
Thanks for clearing it up comrade...

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a DPRK person has no freedom, if so little. Seriously live in America for 1 year, then live in DPRK for 1 year. You will see a big difference in "freedom".


I've seen both places and as far as PRACTICAL DAY 2 DAY freedom goes, the DPRK out scores America. The Western media takes advantage of the fact that the political clima prevailing between DPRK & the West sort of puts direct travel beyond the means of an average Westerner.

Heh at least no lunatic KPA officer in Kaesong bothered me for sparking up a J. Try that in LA and you go to the lockup. I haven't seen a society- other than the West- especially the U$- which penalizes people for choosing to do s#$t with their own bodies.

Also, in the DPRK, people don't need licenses to start a stupid camp fire
. And there are no signs reading "PRIVATE PROPERTY: NO TRESSPASSING" in the DPRK either...

The only "freedom" I had in the US was the ability to call the President a son of a disease infested one eyed gutter rat. But what good does that do? Iraq still happened & so did Afghanistan and so did Vietnam and so did the drug war. So what's all this mythological freedom you're talking about?
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 15 Oct 2007, 21:43
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Post 18 Oct 2007, 21:44
I have never been in DPRK nor in the USA. But I agree with arif moin, what's all this mythological freedom you're talking about ? Once again, I'm going to tell you what happened to me, the history teacher started saying "The parliamentary Assembly condemns boldly the massive violations of human rights made by totalitarian communist regimes and pays tribute to the victims of these crimes. You can't imagine yourself all the horros that people lived during the communist era" And I answered him what you can read on a propaganda image on this website, "when capital and the rulling classes apologise for: Colonialism, the 14 hour day, the 7 day working week, children in coalmines, the Opium wars...the VIETNAM war, then and only then will I consider apologising for the errors of socialism. So I got out from class
People think they have freedom, but I swear you, and even for me as a 17 year little boy, I can swear you that we are not free, for all of us living in capitalist country, when you are in your own hood with your friends, cops looking out for you 24/7, always asking young blacks or arabs, "hey give me your papers please, or are you an illegal alien ?" so now are you going to tell me we have freedom ? Even the medias are under control, here the only one newspapers you can read is "Le Canard enchaîné", or "Le Sarkophage". So stop your anti-communist propaganda, so to all the haters, this goes out to you: We all know that USA fears a little island and their leader Comrade Fidel Castro, we all know who controls the media, and then talk about freedom, we all know you shouldn't be here talking with experienced comrades like there are on this forum....and stop dissing DPRK. Bow down to their leader, a great exemple !
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