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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 21 Dec 2004, 23:53
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Post 21 Jan 2006, 18:03
I was reading annual PARADE section, by David Wallechinsky, in the Philadelphia Inquirer and it gives the 20 worst dictators. The 5 current "communist" country leaders are in it.
I must admit the article is mostly crap but what do you think? Are they dictators?

#2 Kim Jong-il, North Korea, Age 63, In power since 1994

#6 Hu Jintao, China, Age 63, In power since 2002

#15 Fidel Castro, Cuba, Age 79, In power since 1959

#19 Boungnang Vorachith, Laos, Age 68, In power since 2001

#20 Tran Duc Luong, Vietnam, Age 68, In power since 1997
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Post 21 Jan 2006, 18:46
I do not know much of the Asian leaders. I'd like to see some sort of proof about Castro being a "dictator" though. And, if he is, what exactly makes him the 15th worst of them. Who is #1 by the way?
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Post 21 Jan 2006, 21:43
#1 Omar al-Bashir, Sudan, Age 62, In power since 1989

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I'd like to see some sort of proof about Castro being a "dictator" though. And, if he is, what exactly makes him the 15th worst of them.


It only gives explanations for the first 10.

BTW, out of the 20 dictators, not one of them is similing.
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Post 22 Jan 2006, 03:04
I don't think they really understand what the word 'dictator' quite means....considering at least one or two of those people were legitimately elected and do not hold absolute power in their respective countries.
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Post 22 Jan 2006, 03:24
A "dictatorship" is simply the term Bourgeoisie Liberal Democrats use to describe any country or leader that doesn't comply with their vision of how a country ought to be run. Combined with 'authoritarianism' and 'totalitarianism', these make up the 'anti-democratic' nations classifications so commonly used to delegitimize and criticize a state.

I urge anybody from becoming indignant from reading these classifications. They are just the world leadership's way of saying 'these countries/leaders are a thorn in our side that won't comply with our vision of how the world should be run'.

Of course there are definitely some leaders in this group that are hurting their people and nations -but that's the trouble with these classifications; they merely say "Democratic" (with us, serving our interests, performing according to our vision of 'democracy'), or "anti-democratic" (against us, not following our rules/values)
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Post 22 Jan 2006, 15:23
I won’t comment much on Kim Jong-Il but I will say that he didn’t hold any major positions in 1994. So that at least is inaccurate.

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#6 Hu Jintao, China, Age 63, In power since 2002

How this guy is a dictator is beyond me. If anything China is more of an oligarchy, which generally turns over its top leaders every ten years or so these days. It’s also pretty much capitalist these days, as I’ve stated in some of my previous posts.

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#15 Fidel Castro, Cuba, Age 79, In power since 1959

Guys, do yourselves a favor here. Look up some stuff on Cuba, because when you just take the U.S.’s word on it you often wind up with this crap. Cuba is a democracy, there’s plenty of information on that. For starters look at this:

http://www.walterlippmann.com/docs099.html

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#19 Boungnang Vorachith, Laos, Age 68, In power since 2001

#20 Tran Duc Luong, Vietnam, Age 68, In power since 1997

I’d seriously doubt that either of these guys are communists. That’s just judging by the way these country’s are going though, I don’t know much about these guys personally. But if anything I’d bet they are oligarchs along the lines of Hu Jintao.

These lists are pretty ironic though. The major capitalist countries have backed countless dictators, funded groups to undermine elected governments, sabotaged elections, etc. in so many places at so many different times that we might as well have a map showing the actions in each country.
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Post 22 Jan 2006, 19:44
Some information about:
Boungnang Vorachith
Tran Duc Luong
Both were democraticaly elected.

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How this guy is a dictator is beyond me. If anything China is more of an oligarchy, which generally turns over its top leaders every ten years or so these days. It’s also pretty much capitalist these days, as I’ve stated in some of my previous posts.


Here is a summary of what they wrote about Hu Jintao:
    150 million who work for under $1 a day
    300,000 political dissidents in "re-education through labor"
    Less %5 of trials include witnesses
    99.7% conviction rate
    No private TV or radio stations
    Goverment may open/censor mail, phone calls, faxes, email, and text messages
    400,000 forcibly evicted in Beijing for 2008 Olympics
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Post 22 Jan 2006, 23:49
Typical bullshit, unless George Bush and the phoney last two elections have put him as #1.
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Post 23 Jan 2006, 02:47
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Some information about:
Boungnang Vorachith
Tran Duc Luong
Both were democraticaly elected.

    "HE Mr Boungnang Vorachith was elected as Member of the Party Central Committee for three times, by the 3rd, 4th and 5th Congresses of the Lao People's Revolutionary Party in 1982, 1986 and 1991 respectively, and has been elected as Member of the Party Central Committee and Member of Politburo twice by the 6th and 7th Congresses of the Lao People's Revolutionary Party in 1996 and 2001 respectively."

    "[Tran Duc Luong is a] member of the Politburo since June 1996, he was elected President September 24, 1997 and re-elected in 2002."
OK. Thank you for your contribution.

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Here is a summary of what they wrote about Hu Jintao:

150 million who work for under $1 a day
300,000 political dissidents in "re-education through labour"
Less %5 of trials include witnesses
99.7% conviction rate
No private TV or radio stations
Goverment may open/censor mail, phone calls, faxes, email, and text messages
400,000 forcibly evicted in Beijing for 2008 Olympics

None of which show that Hu Jintao is himself a dictator. These are basically just criticisms of China in general.

As an addendum I’d just like to add that these ‘dictator’ lists are ridiculously superficial and tell us absolutely nothing about real conditions in any of these countries and for all intensive purposes are meaningless. I mean seriously, "no private TV or radio stations" doesn't mean a country is run by a dictator and it sounds more like a liberal suck up for privatization than anything.
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Post 24 Jun 2007, 10:38
Of course they are dictators, damn influential ones. Especially the regime in North-Korea.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 17 Jan 2005, 07:15
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Post 24 Jun 2007, 11:37
Dictator is a relative term!

They are not dictators, they do not possess "supreme power", they are responsible to others thus making it impossible for them to be dictators.
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Post 24 Jun 2007, 19:06
Did they mention dictators installed in Latin America by "democratically" elected leaders. Nicaragua death squads FTW.


On a side note, about Omar al-Bashir... I find it a bit coincidental that Imperialist countries are starting to take such interest in Sudan and their human rights violations when they have vast amounts of oil reserves.
Considering all of the other African countries and their genocides to look at... I find it funny that they want to clean up this act first, so they can get their hands dirty in genocide-free money later.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 10 Sep 2006, 22:05
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Post 25 Jun 2007, 14:21
RR wrote:
#6 Hu Jintao, China, Age 63, In power since 2002

#19 Boungnang Vorachith, Laos, Age 68, In power since 2001

#20 Tran Duc Luong, Vietnam, Age 68, In power since 1997


This doesn't make sense. Even if they were dictators (which they aren't, even by capitalist standards) what have any of them done that warranted them being on the list of worst dictators?
Hu Jintao at number six?
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 27 Nov 2006, 19:28
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Post 25 Jun 2007, 15:46
They are not individual 'dictators' per se, but figuureheads and representative's of bureaucratic castes hostile to democracy. Our defence of proletarian property forms etc (which are legitimate) should not inhibit us from recognising this.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 26 Jun 2006, 15:59
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Post 25 Jun 2007, 16:14
How Fidel Castro could be 15th worst leader is beyond me, let alone the logic that classifies him as "dictator".
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Post 25 Jun 2007, 18:37
'Dictators' are part of the heritage of the ancient Roman Empire and those have nothing in common with current leaders as roman dictators were a temporary solution to political crisis.

I wouldn't pay too much attention to such primitive rankings. Our example here is highly normative if not propagandistic. My opinion: Read and laugh about it.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 16 Aug 2006, 17:30
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Post 26 Jun 2007, 01:15
Fidel Castro is no dictator, I would prefer him over any western leader, so does his people.

I don't care about the other 4, Hu Jintao is certainly not a commie, neither is Kim-Jong-Il (Juche is not communism).
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Post 26 Jun 2007, 01:37
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I don't care about the other 4, Hu Jintao is certainly not a commie, neither is Kim-Jong-Il (Juche is not communism).


And Fidel is a commie?
Please.
Juche is based on the very principles of Socialism. I'm dying to know how one can call Cuba and Fidel socialist, yet discard Kim and Jintao.
Is it because they are not as populist as Castro is?
Because they do not make "! ANNOUNCEMENT!!!" every month?

Castro has done a great deal with for Cuba, but he is far from a "true Marxists". Che was the Marxists, Castro was just the sidekick left empowered.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 05 Jan 2006, 18:25
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Post 26 Jun 2007, 02:02
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How Fidel Castro could be 15th worst leader is beyond me, let alone the logic that classifies him as "dictator".


In Power since 1959?

That's 48 years!! How could you not call him a dictator.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 26 Oct 2004, 02:34
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Post 26 Jun 2007, 02:45
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In Power since 1959?

That's 48 years!! How could you not call him a dictator.


How do you define dictator? Do many years in office make one a dictator? Is Queen Elizabeth II a dictator?
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