"Nearly three decades ago the Chinese Communist Party renounced its commitment to Marxist economic principles and began embracing market capitalism and soliciting foreign investment"
http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/ ... /index.htm I don't know the name of the official document, but there are very few individuals or organizations that don't know about it, and few of those that do try to ignore it. Quote: I know what dialectics is, but pumpkins and carraiges have nothing to do with it. Capitalists came to power, and restored capitalism. Quote: Revolutionary Communist Party of Argentina, Communist Party of Colombia - Maoist, Marxist-Leninist Party of Germany, Communist Organization of Greece, Communist Party of India (Marxist-Leninist) New Democracy, Communist Party of India (Marxist-Leninist), Committees for the Support of the Resistance - For Communism of Italy, Commission for the Preparation of the Foundation Congress of the (New) Italian Communist Party, Popular Front for the Reconstruction of the Communist Party of Italy, Group of Marxist-Leninists/Red Morning of Holland, Workers' Communist Party of Norway, Communist Party of the Philippines, Russian Maoist Party, Labour Party of Serbia/Montenegro, Communist Party of Turkey/Marxist-Leninist, Revolutionary Communist Party of Uruguay, Ray O. Light Organization, Communist (Maoist) Party of Afghanistan, Revolutionary Front Marxist Leninist Maoist of Bolivia, Union of Communist Revolutionaries (Maoists) of Colombia, Communist Workers' Union (Marxist-Leninist Maoist) of Colombia, Revolutionary Communist Group of Columbia, Communist Party of India (Maoist), Communist Party of Iran (Marxist-Leninist-Maoist), Iraqi Revolutionary Marxist-Leninists Regroupment, Communist Party of Nepal (Maoist, Revolutionary Communist Party USA, Maoist Communist Party Turkey, Communist Party of Turkey/Marxist-Leninist (Maoist Party Centre), Afghanistan Liberation Organization, Liberation Party of Argentina, Communist Party of Australia (Marxist-Leninist), Marxist-Leninist Party of Austria, Communist Party of Brazil - Red Faction, Revolutionary Communist Party (Organizing Committees) of Canada, Communist Party (Marxist-Leninist-Maoist) of France, There's a partial list. You really think that the RCP invented the idea that China is capitalist? And none of these claim that it was at a day or exact moment. It was the coup against the Gang of Four that brought capitalist-roaders to power, who brought capitalism back to China, as everyone (except the WWP) can see. "Read some of the works of Marx and Engels... couple this with a reading of the Bible and note the parallelism of Communism and the program of Satan." Thomas O. Kay, National Association of Evengelicals
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 01 Mar 2006, 08:59 Party Bureaucrat Quote: You must think we are idiots to believe that 'Ian Bremmer' of CNN is a member of the Communist Party of China. Ezekial39 wrote: Well no fragging shit. So, I'm still waiting, I guess? While you continue your search, I'll remind you that The CP of the Philippines calls China "socialist" in it's literature. Barring a miracle, I guess that makes you, whats that thing... WRONG! ![]() "To know a thing you must study it." --Dagoth Ur Quote: Source? I don't think this is true. While I agree that neither USSR or China became capitalist the moment revisionism took over, they took the capitalist course that moment, and the liquidation of socialism didn't take decades. To say otherwise is to underestmate the bourgeois essence of revisionism. Revisionism is not some ideological problem or theoretical deviation - it's the agent of the bourgeoisie in the labour movement (including socialist countries). Revisionism in power means bourgeoisie in power. ![]() Quote: It's Market Socialist with a different name, though I despise it as much as you do. Quote: And bourgeoisie in power means, soon or later, capitalism will be restored. Anti-Revisionism is the one and only path to a communist world where Marxist Holism is firmly in place.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 01 Mar 2006, 08:59 Party Bureaucrat Quote: I never would have believed it before I saw it for myself. Now I'll have to dig it up... Quote: Setting aside disagreements between the CPC and APL with regards to revisionism (I'm not familiar enough with the differences to discuss them very coherently), I think we are in agreement for practical purposes. I do believe that the leadership of a state can be different than that class which the state is/was serving. For instance, Cromwell/England, Hitler/Germany, (different layers, anyways) or, of course, Deng/China, in say, 1977. ![]() "To know a thing you must study it." --Dagoth Ur Quote: I meant I don't believe the CPP calls China "socialist". ![]()
It is probably a reference to China when it was socialist, not modern China. If I recall correctly, China supports the capitalists in the Phillippines.
"Read some of the works of Marx and Engels... couple this with a reading of the Bible and note the parallelism of Communism and the program of Satan." Thomas O. Kay, National Association of Evengelicals
Quote: Hoxha might have had noble ideals, we never know- but his leadership was f#$ked up to the core- especially foreign policy. First, he gets help from the Yugoslav communists & then completely shuts them off in 1948. Then, after Stalin's death, he switches to Mao. After the Sino-US warmup, he shuts off China and increases trade w/ Italy & Greece. Not to mention he re-normalised trade with a supposed "betrayer of Stalin (Tito)" in '71. All while China was re-engaging Yugoslavia. While all this is going on, he continues to harp on ethno-nationalist junk on the Greeks, Italians and the Yugoslavs on how they want to eliminate all Albanians. I mean, talk about a guy with serious mood swings! He claimed Tito wanted to "enslave" the Albanians. Yugoslavia had an entire province composed of ethnic Albanians (Kosovo) and even gave it autonomous status in 1971. And, while Hoxha was making rabid ethno nationalist speeches against the Yugoslavs in Kosovo, for some odd reason, ethnic Albanians settled in Yugoslav territories weren't allowed to even check out Hoxha's so called "paradise." And after 1967, can I safely assume that ethnic ALbanians in Yugoslav soil had more freedoms than ALbanians under Hoxha? He not only denied his own people freedom of religion (a part of freedom of expression) but also awarded PRISON TERMS FROM 3-10 YEARS for carrying a simple Bible or Qoran. Anyone remember his famous quote "The only religion in ALbania is Albanianism." Talk about RABID ETHNO NATIONALISM- which is a FASCIST phenominon, not a Socialist one. And if ALbania was such a paradise, how come outsiders weren't allowed in? I could get a visa to the USSR w/ unhindered domestic travel. Getting a Yugoslavia visa was also pretty straight forward. For crying out loud, even getting a visa to North Korea was possible. But travel to Albania was utterly IMPOSSIBLE until Rameez Alya took over. At least for us South Asians. arif_moin wrote: Source? I'm not very impressed by "famous quotes" after seeing loads of fabrications flying everywhere in the internet, for example many attributed to BOTH Lenin and Stalin (depending on "source"). Quote: Where do people always get these "if country x was such a paradise"... Who's saying it was a paradise? Besides, outsiders were allowed in. During Hoxha. I have personally met some. Quote: "I, the people." Some foreigners: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7XHDluJtS8 I seriously don't believe South Asians were treated much differently than Africans or Latin Americans. ![]() Quote: All I was saying is that South Asians weren't allowed to visit Albania during Hoxha's rule & were allowed to after ALya took over. Even after Hoxha sent over a delegation to "super bourgesois ultra revisoinist" India to resume work on projects frozen by the Chinese (after the Sino-Albanian split). Quote: I happen to have a collection of Hoxha's "speeches, conversations and articles" from 1969-70. The conversations include some with delegates from countries like India and Ceylon. In my understanding they're in South Asia, so I'll stick to what I said earlier ie. "I seriously don't believe South Asians were treated much differently than Africans of Latin Americans". Quote: "Revisionist"? ![]() Quote: This is just not true. Albania did have excellent industry and infrastructure for a Third World nation. Information on it can be read in O'Donnell's Albania Under Enver Hoxha. Quote: Comrade, Then how do you explain: http://www.kampanyarchivum.hu/files/300/8/3/3-8-43.html An "excellent industry" couldn't muster 6000 skilled laborers to tackle 142 projects??? ?? ? IN THE 80s?! Quote: I don't give a rats arse, really. And I don't see police cars every square block or so Despite having "superior standards" your system throws more than TWICE the % people in jails per 100,000 than mine. Swe throws 75 & India throws 29. And at least the local heavy industry doesn't run on ARMS EXPORT profiteering off WARS. But that's not the point of the topic... http://66.102.9.104/search?q=cache:ZPR2 ... cd=2&gl=in The point is: Niether Tito nor Hoxha sold out to the imperialists and both had pro proletariat systems in place- except in economic terms- i.e. quality of life- was better in Yugoslavia than in Albania. And despite sealing off Tito, Hoxha still had commercial ties w/ Greece & Italy. Especially after the PRC rift. And despite India having "overcrowded buses" Hoxha's Albania had to ask it for INDUSTRIAL aid in the 80s .
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 20 Apr 2008, 07:53 Unperson Quote: So? He was a great fighter fighting against revisionism, nazism, and capitalism. The Soviet Union had become revisionist and so Albania said no to revisionist Russia.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 20 Jan 2010, 02:13 New Comrade (Say hi & be nice to me!)
* Hoxha remained a loyal Marxist-Leninist to the end of his life.
* Hoxha defeated Mussolini’s fascist forces and lead the Albanian liberation movement to victory against occupation and colonialism. * Hoxha led the world’s longest-lasting and most advanced socialist state for almost 40 years. * Socialism and the dictatorship of the proletariat were established under Hoxha’s rule. His economic revolution was even more advanced than Stalin’s, with even more working class control over production centers. * Albania was industrialized and turned into an almost entirely self-sufficient country, despite being the poorest and most backward nation in Europe (it was a tribal society until the 50s) and being a fascist colony with only 1.5 million people. * Life expectancy under Hoxha went from 32 in the tribal days to 76. * Illiteracy before Hoxha was 90-95% in 1939, which by 1950 went down to 30% and by 1985 was equal to that of the United States. * Women’s rights were increased a thousand fold under Hoxha. * Tribal warfare and honor killings were ended. * Hoxha consistently fought against imperialism and particularly U.S. imperialism in Vietnam, Cuba, Indonesia, Africa, Latin America and everywhere else. * Hoxha was the most consistent fighter against revisionism the world has ever known, exposing revisionism wherever it might be, from within his own party to the Soviet Union, China, Korea, Cuba, Yugoslavia, Italy and onwards. He exposed revisionism on principle even when it was in his best interests to keep his mouth shut, such as with China and the Soviet Union. * Hoxha made an in-depth analysis of imperialism and social-imperialism, and explained in numerous works the connection between the two. * Hoxha was the first socialist leader to recognize Khrushchev’s revisionism and was the first to publically speak out against it. * Hoxha consistently fought against the renegade Tito and the Yugoslav revisionists. * Hoxha fought against the Greek monarcho-fascists. * Hoxha defeated coup attempts by the US, Tito, the Soviets and the Greeks. * Hoxha was the first, even before Mao, to offer a correct analysis of Khrushchev’s invasion of Hungary. * Hoxha was the first to offer an analysis of the Soviet invasion of Czechoslovakia as well. * Although he originally supported it, Hoxha later spoke out against the Cultural Revolution as anti-Marxist after it became clear it was a struggle between rightist factions. * Hoxha recognized the nature of the Chinese state and, though he had spent decades praising it, decided to bravely push forward with his findings once and for all and declare Maoism a revisionist ideology. * Hoxha spoke out against the “Three Worlds Theory.” * Hoxha refuted the idea put forward by Mao that Soviet social-imperialism was somehow “more dangerous” than U.S. Imperialism. * Hoxha was the first to speak out against Eurocommunism and wrote an entire volume refuting it. * Hoxha condemned Nixon’s visit to Beijing and China’s collaboration with US imperialism. * Hoxha condemned the fascist coup in Chile by Pinochet and the mass slaughter of communists in Indonesia by US imperialism. * Hoxha condemned the genocidal acts in Kosova by Tito. * Hoxha created an International based solely on his own prestige. * Hoxha developed Marxism-Leninism further by exposing where revisionism comes from and how it can be fought. I uphold Hoxha because he was and is the most correct communist of the modern age.
Sorry, but, in http://www.northstarcompass.org/nsc0909/hoxha.htm
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Welcome and all, but that's a pretty awful article. I mean there's not even much I can say about it. It's basically one of the worst excuses for writing I have ever seen, even for the "Canadian Friends of Soviet People."
![]() "Bleh, i don't even know what i'm arguing for. What a stupid rant. Disregard what i wrote." - Loz "Every time is gyros time" - Stalinista
I've only read the last paragraph due to tl;dr, but it doesn't seem that far off.
"Don't know why i'm still surprised with this shit anyway." - Loz
it's quite true what that article says. what i heard from former JLA veterans, they were often shipped down south in case albanians would attempt an invasion. hoxha was a "soft" nationalist and would often state that kosovo is out of albanian sphere of influence because "only snakes live there". what race falls under "snakes" we can only guess after mao he started kissing up to yugoslavia anyway. so much for his ideology. did you know that hoxha's cousin was chairman of CP of kosovo?
one thing that hoxha did quite well was curbing down honour killings, which after his death increased to a degree that 25% of all deaths in albania are because of them. ![]() Jugoslavija je bleda slika premrzlega partizana zato je njeno ljudstvo navajeno trpeti zato je njeno ljudstvo pripravljeno umreti. -Via Ofenziva Forum Rules
Michael Celik is really fragging terrible, it is the worst writing on Albania I have ever seen. From what I know, Hoxha opposed to add Kosovo to Albania since he believed in internationalism.
Albania did have excellent industry infrastructure until their collapse in the late 1980s. What caused this? It is Albanian's fault and Alias's policy. |
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