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Martin Luther King Junior

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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 27 Sep 2004, 23:23
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Post 12 Jun 2005, 20:47
Not exactly a communist, but a generally all around good egg who did some great things for the little guy.

A great flash animation showing that his attitude towards america is still completely applicable today.
http://www.ericblumrich.com/mlk2005.html
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 14 Nov 2004, 16:51
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Post 14 Jun 2005, 09:11
It moved me !
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 22 Mar 2004, 23:00
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Post 14 Jun 2005, 18:49
A piece of crap Jewish yankee puppet.

MLK was one of the first to say "Anti-zionism is anti-semitism"

He called for non-aggression and anti-communism.

He didn't accomplish shit for black people!

Overall he is a hero...to white oppressors. For everyone else, frag him, people need a vanguard like the BPP not some christian jewish puppet.
"There's no reason for the establishment to fear me. But it has every right to fear the people collectively -I am one with the people."-Huey Newton
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 27 Sep 2004, 23:23
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Post 15 Jun 2005, 22:55
I disagree. His marches served as a rallying point for all americans. His speeches were against the governemnt's injust treatment of it's citizens and involvemnet in wars in which the United states had no interest and was somely acting as a world police force. He was probably an anti-USSR person because he supported more freedom of speech and, we must admit, the USSR has a record almost as poor as america's on the infringemtn of free speech. He supported equality of all races and peoples, which is a good and socialist goal. I don't quite know his position on labor, so I can't argue with you there. I cannot see how his actions gained any power for the white elite. But most importantly, his efforts serve as a rallying point for all americans interested in freedom and justice. We know that we can improve things because it has been tried already. Whenever we fell as if hope is lost, we can remember similar circumstances at a different time in history. Although, after his death, the civil rights movement still had and has now a long way to go, it is enbcouraging to see that change is possible.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 26 Feb 2004, 03:15
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Post 16 Jun 2005, 04:36
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A piece of crap Jewish yankee puppet.

MLK was one of the first to say "Anti-zionism is anti-semitism"

He called for non-aggression and anti-communism.

He didn't accomplish shit for black people!

Overall he is a hero...to white oppressors. For everyone else, frag him, people need a vanguard like the BPP not some christian jewish puppet.




I hate it when these white [people] come around and say what Black leaders did and didn't do for Black people! Without MLK Black people in this country would be really no better off than in the slave days. Now I acknowledge that things are still bad for us but before MLK things were almost unlivable. I hate to break it to you but no Black leader accomplished more for American Blacks than Martin Luther King Jr. I'm sorry if I offended the other white people on the forums but this [guy] gives a bad name to your race. Educate your self on our plight and our struggle before you disrespect our leaders!!! Now here come the censors to edit my post. God forbid somebody speak like a normal fragging human being.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 22 Mar 2004, 23:00
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Post 17 Jun 2005, 05:03
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I hate it when these white [people] come around and say what Black leaders did and didn't do for Black people!


I am "white" yes, but I am from Argentina an oppressed third world country, so I understand and can relate to the plight of the black masses.

MLK was no "black leader", he was a pro-establishment pawn that helped keep black struggle for economic and political freedom down.

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Without MLK Black people in this country would be really no better off than in the slave days.


Today, black people on average make less than half of the money white people make yearly. Is this really that much better than slave days, where oppressed people have to live in slums to make white people richer?

MLK was a counter-revolutionary. The only reason the white-jewish establishment can't get enough of him is because of his role in keeping black people from establishing independence and socialism. He was anti-communist, pro-jewish/right-wing christian, pro-bourgeoisie filth.

It's funny that whenever black history month rolls around all we hear about is MLK and George Washington Carver, but rarely do they whisper a word about Huey P Newton or Nat Turner, or Louise Toussaint, Shaka Zulu or REAL revolutionaries period. Karl Marx taught us that everything in a capitalist society has ulterior motives, what motive do you think the white bourgeoisie has to propagate MLK? Keep black people down and dumb, that's why.

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Now I acknowledge that things are still bad for us but before MLK things were almost unlivable. I hate to break it to you but no Black leader accomplished more for American Blacks than Martin Luther King Jr.


This is the kind of attitude that keeps black people from gaining their freedom. I bet you admire the racist dictator Abraham Lincoln as well for "freeing the slaves".

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I'm sorry if I offended the other white people on the forums but this [guy] gives a bad name to your race. Educate your self on our plight and our struggle before you disrespect our leaders!!! Now here come the censors to edit my post. God forbid somebody speak like a normal fragging human being.


I suggest you educate yourself on the struggles of black folks, rather than admiring a treacherous reactionary like MLK.
"There's no reason for the establishment to fear me. But it has every right to fear the people collectively -I am one with the people."-Huey Newton
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 16 Jun 2005, 22:34
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Post 17 Jun 2005, 05:06
I am partly black (1/2) and while I never lived in the US during that time, I have read about Dr. King's work, and he is a great man. He is an example to all people, for racial equality and justice. While he didnt accomplish social equality, he saw the prejudices around him and stood up to them.

He is a great man! Someone who is at least worthy of your respect. While I do not agree with his religious views, this is only a minor disagreement. Besides, Evolution not revolution is the way ( thats what I believe anyway ) and non-violence is a key factor for change.

And besides, what has the BPP done for anyone??
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 22 Mar 2004, 23:00
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Post 17 Jun 2005, 05:12
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And besides, what has the BPP done for anyone??


They tried to establish a Black Homeland, they protected african-americans from lynchings, they fed and clothed neighborhoods and towns that were being forced starved by white tyrants, they tried to make a real change (but of course being outnumbered, outgunned, and going against the establishment, all the leaders were assassinated by the FBI and they simply dissappeared).

You cannot reform a racist capitalist state, regardless of how many colin powells and condoleeza rice white entertainers/puppets you see in the government. Although slavery is officially over, black people still slave for white people through corporations and manuel labour.
"There's no reason for the establishment to fear me. But it has every right to fear the people collectively -I am one with the people."-Huey Newton
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 16 Jun 2005, 22:34
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Post 17 Jun 2005, 05:24
The BPP also commited countless murders, and ultimately became a rascist group. In the end , other than helping african americans, they basically did not accomplish anything. Their violent ways, and rascism towards whites was ultimately what killed them. Only by befriending a more powerful enemy can you defeat him


One of the reasons MLK improved so much in African American civil rights, is that he was non-violent and wanted equaity for EVERYONE. Even the fiery Malcolm X found out the error of his ways.

Is there any way that you can say that MLK's movement did not accomplish anything for African Americans?
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 26 Feb 2004, 03:15
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Post 17 Jun 2005, 05:28
The BPP was destroyed because of the white police assasinating their leaders. Also, the BPP was never rascist. There were BPP groups for white people. They simply beleived in Black Nationalism but never Black supremacy. By the way, it's good to see some more colour on these boards my breddah!
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 16 Jun 2005, 22:34
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Post 17 Jun 2005, 05:30
All Africans of the boards, Unite!

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Post 17 Jun 2005, 05:32
There are one and a half Afrikans on this board. We're kind of lonely. Also all of these boards are dedicated to the socialist acheivements of white people. That makes us even more lonely.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 16 Jun 2005, 22:34
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Post 17 Jun 2005, 05:39
Yes, you are very right.

Well I suppose we cant help that... I think almost all of the major players in Socialism has been eithere white or hispanic ( I am 1/2 hispanic) that is, unless you count the heroic efforts of Fidel's revolutionary army which had many african-cuban soldiers
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 22 Mar 2004, 23:00
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Post 17 Jun 2005, 05:40
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MLK is as much a leader for black people as Abraham Lincoln was. The situation for the black community is generally the same as in the 50's, or even worse in some cases.

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The BPP also commited countless murders


If you want to make an omelet , you have to crack some eggs.


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and ultimately became a rascist group.


They were not racist since there key allies were the Young Patriots (a southern left-wing white nationalist group), and various Asian and hispanic groups.

Even if they were "racist" against white people, they would have good reason to be. Black people have every right in the world to hate their slave owners.

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In the end , other than helping african americans, they basically did not accomplish anything. Their violent ways, and rascism towards whites was ultimately what killed them. Only by befriending a more powerful enemy can you defeat him


LOL. So hold on, are you saying we should MLK/Ghandhi's bullshit coward stance of "turn the other cheek"?

Their "racism" towards rights was nonexistent. What got them killed off was the fact that they threatened white economic interests, whilst MLK indirectly protected white economic interests (such as telling blacks not to riot against white property in relaliation for white crimes, etc) hence why white people MLK as one of their own, while they demonize the BPP as "racists" and "evildoers".
"There's no reason for the establishment to fear me. But it has every right to fear the people collectively -I am one with the people."-Huey Newton
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 26 Feb 2004, 03:15
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Post 17 Jun 2005, 05:42
Well don't forget the BPP or W.E.B. DuBois. Also Langston Hughes, Malcolm X, Angela Davis...they are all great Black revolutionaries. But we're getting off topic. IM me if you want to talk more. We need to focus now on refuting J.Jordan's rascist lies about Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 22 Mar 2004, 23:00
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Post 17 Jun 2005, 05:54
[Anna edit: don't post rascism]
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 26 Feb 2004, 03:15
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Post 17 Jun 2005, 05:56
[Anna edit]

Let me tell you a bit about who I am. My name is Abdul-Malik Solomon X. I was born in a one room shack made out of cardboard and tin in Kingston, Jamaica. We later moved into a 2 room government yard. Because of our religion we were under constant persecution from the police. I don't remember a single year of life in Jamaica where my father wasn't arrested at least once. In Jamaica I was shot, stabbed, robbed, and beaten. Many of these incidents were because of my Blackness. After 12 years of violence and poverty, we moved into my aunt's housing project in America. Here we faced more poverty and oppresion because of the $5.15/hour minimum wage. We have to juggle food, rent, water, hospital bills and all sort of shit. My grandfather was on trial in a death row murder investigation for killing two Jamaican cops who raped his sister.

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Siberian Fox, either I go or he goes! Plain and simple.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 16 Jun 2005, 22:34
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Post 17 Jun 2005, 06:03
jordan, how dare you. your not even black. this argument is stupid. we are obviously debating a racist.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 22 Mar 2004, 23:00
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Post 17 Jun 2005, 16:10
1) I immigrated to America when I was little
2) It's not "racist" for non-black people to show black people the path on how to liberate themselves (the BPP didn't mind using MLM as a liberation theory, and MLM was developed by four whites and an asian revolutionary) .
3) Are you 12 years old?
"There's no reason for the establishment to fear me. But it has every right to fear the people collectively -I am one with the people."-Huey Newton
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 27 Sep 2004, 23:23
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Post 17 Jun 2005, 16:49
I'm sorry I started this.
Whoppee for Comrade Sergei.
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