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 30 May 2005, 03:45
Hello !
I'm from Chile (A country of southamerica) and I want to know what do you think of Stalin. I also want to know: Where are you from?? and what do you think of Trotsky?? By and thank you !! I can't write good in English, sorry !! Alguien habla español en este sitio?? Para que me conteste. 30 May 2005, 05:46
Hola mi companero! Me llamo Rastaman33! Bienvendios de Soviet Empire. Lo ciento if my Espanol is a bit rusty. I'm originaly from Jamaica but now I live in los Estados Unidos. I think Stalin was a mad man and a double crossing murderer. I think Trotsky was a very talented revolutionary and had some great theories. The USSR would have been an entirley different place if he had taken power as Lenin wished.
 30 May 2005, 10:02
Pienso que Stalin era loco.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 16 Jun 2004, 17:30 Politburo 30 May 2005, 14:29
Stalin stopped the revolution, reverted to petty nationalism, outlawed homosexuality, and abortion, made divorce difficult to get, changed the national anthem from the communist International to a local church song with lyrics praising himself, and was more or less the result of Thermidoric reaction.
Trotsky was probably the second most talented revolutionary at the time, he defeated the western world as well as the Russian Whites in the Civil War, he created the only useful analysis of fascism ever written, and he was able to analize everything's results and future prospects very well. He was vain, and he wasn't a saint or a god or anything, but he was very talented and revolutionary. -TIG Alis Volat Propriis; Tiocfaidh Ar La; Proletarier Aller Länder, Vereinigt Euch!
 30 May 2005, 15:00
I view Stalin as a good Marxist-Leninist, who made some mistakes. As for Trotsky, I summed up what I thought about him here.
 30 May 2005, 16:37
No man is perfect.
 ALL POWER BELONGS TO ME! And the Party of course! Zajedno za Tita i našu budućnost! 30 May 2005, 16:53
Quote: hahaha excuse me 30 May 2005, 17:14
I don't have much time to comment typical Trotskyite rabble, but there was one thing that craved my attention:
The Immortal Goon wrote: I wonder when did the former Anthem of the Bolshevik Party written by Aleksandrov turn into a "local church song"? Hammer, sickle, icepick!  30 May 2005, 18:07
I think it is one of the most powerfull and talented man ever lived. A very strong leader like no other has ever been. And yes, he was against homosexuality, but whole russia was so that is part of the culture. He has made some mistakes also. but he defeated more than 75% of the nazi army.
30 May 2005, 18:19
That guy wrote: False. Arround 66% of the Wehrmacht fought on the Ost-Front!  Ya Basta! 30 May 2005, 19:36
Stalin was one of history's most excellent leaders!
 
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 02 Mar 2004, 15:19 Ideology: Democratic Socialism Old Bolshevik 30 May 2005, 20:41
great, we have a Hoxhaite here *rolls eyes*
I'm willing to admit the plus-sides of Stalin's rule. His economy was a socialist economy. Socialism in One Country, is in my opinion, a very viabl theory. And of course, the massive industrialization. However there are those millions of people (conservative estimates say between 1million and 3 million who served in the labor camps.), there's also the outrageous moral conservativism that goes along with Stalinism (and thus Stalinist movements, like Hoxhaites), homosexuality apparently is bourgeois distractionism, or some such nonsense, the thought that women are 'important reserves in the revolution', etc. etc. Trotsky, historically, seems to be a loud pain in the ass. His only important role in history was that of the counter-balance to Stalin in the party. Trotskyites today, are the most split group of communists in the world, that is why, for example, the US has about 20 trotskyite parties. I find it ridiculous.  Fitzy wrote: 30 May 2005, 20:45
You forget to mention Trotsky's excellent military leadership, wich Stalin also mastered.
30 May 2005, 22:34
-Tav. Stalin made mistakes, but he saved the Soviet Union, and thus, the humanity (80% of Nazi's army division were concentrated on the eastern front!), during the WW2.
-He turned backward socialist russia into military, economic, cultural superpower Soviet Union in 30 years. -He deported millions and a good estimation of 1 million death in Goulag.  30 May 2005, 22:41
Quote: Incorrect. What the hell do you think Germans were using on Western Front? Germans also kept good number of troops in occupied countries like Yugoslavia, Greece, Norway ect: 
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 04 Jan 2003, 15:32 Ideology: None Webmaster 31 May 2005, 00:15
Not this same nitpicking again.
I'll let the numbers do the talking: http://www.feldgrau.com/stats.html Quote: Total German KIAs on all fronts except the Eastern Front up to 30/11/1944: 303,793 German KIAs on the Eastern Front up to 30/11/1944: 1,419,728 (78.6% of KIAs)  31 May 2005, 10:15
Cusalties on Eastern Front were about 2700000 men. Cusalties on Western Front about 2300000. Those figures include dead, wounded and so on.
Source, Deutsche militärische Verluste im Zweiten Weltkrieg by Rüdiger Overmans.  And please, notice the word about. Telling completely exact figures is something difficult. I do not wish to start a debate about this, so could we get back to the sopic.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 16 Jun 2004, 17:30 Politburo 31 May 2005, 12:27
In refrence to Trotsky's analysis of fascism being the most useful:
Quote: I guess we could have gone the Stalnist line, and then halted attacks against the Nazis and instead go after the "Social Fascists," the Social Democrats - thus leaving the nazis in charge of Germany; then make a nonaggression pact with Hitler and help him take Poland. Or we could join the anti-fascist movement in Spain, then declare everyone who isn't a Stalnist who is anti-fascist a "social fascist" and go through and execute all the labor leaders; or take over any factory that was taken over by the workers, kill them all, and then give it back to the bourgouis. Sorry, Stalin had absolutly no conception of fascism until after he had been attacked. The west thought it was a neat little experiment for the future, the Stalinists saw it as the exact same thing as a capitalist republic, and only Trotsky made any kind of attempt to base it on Marxist theory at all. --- As for the church song, you'd know the Russian stuff better than I would, Papergut, but a class I had said that the tune was an Orthidox church song. -TIG Alis Volat Propriis; Tiocfaidh Ar La; Proletarier Aller Länder, Vereinigt Euch!
31 May 2005, 13:00
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