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Was Soviet culture superior to Western culture?

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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 10 Sep 2006, 22:05
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Post 10 Dec 2013, 09:53
Lots of chauvinism in that poem.
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Post 10 Dec 2013, 10:55
The "brutal Ossetian" image wasn't unusual from what I gather. It was rumoured at the time that Stalin's real father was one of those mountain bandits from Ossetia. I don't think that's why Mandelstam got in trouble though.


As much as we might want to think they weren't too bad, ethnic prejudice was pretty common in that era. If you had a character flaw it was often blamed on the the fact that you were Georgian, or Ossetian, or Jewish, or whatever. People don't automatically stop thinking in their narrow-minded little ways just because you nationalize production. It takes time and education and a degree of social stability and security that wasn't around in Stalin's time.
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Post 10 Dec 2013, 12:49
Ossetians, like the Cossacks, were known as policemen and other such servants of autocracy in Tzarist Russia.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 07 Dec 2013, 14:24
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Post 10 Dec 2013, 17:53
The Soviet union was not socialist so ergo the dominant culture there would be that of the ruling class.
I don’t doubt that there was much to admire in soviet culture and it was not as dull and as drab as it was made out. If it was dull and drab it was probably down to the atmosphere of repression that existed in the Soviet union. Everything had to reflect the ruling ideology. American culture was what the youth of the SU wanted.
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Post 10 Dec 2013, 22:30
The ruling class was the proletariat ergo you're talking out of your ass. Also it's easy to want American culture when all you see is our movies and our celebrities. Living in this shithole is entirely different.

@shig: I'm not saying this kind of trash disappears overnight, but that this type of chauvinism is directed at Stalin (who by anticommunist accounts was some sort of Great Russian chauvinist) is ironic and deserves to be purged.
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Post 10 Dec 2013, 23:52
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Also it's easy to want American culture when all you see is our movies and our celebrities. Living in this shithole is entirely different.


This is very true. There is a huge gap between the lives of everyday Americans and what our media portrays. If we were to believe the U.S. entertainment industry, you would think all Americans were happy, middle-class people. The reality is that living in the U.S. as a working person is extremely stressful and dissatisfying. If you don’t “make it”, i.e. obtain the middle-class American dream, most people think you are a piece of garbage. This is why so many American workers get themselves into loads of personal debt, to keep up the appearance of being “middle-class.”

I find it interesting that so many members of the Soviet intelligentsia thought they would be better off under capitalism. They apparently thought that our major cultural celebrities were the norm. Now I wonder if all of those writers, artists, scholars and scientists wish they had the state support of the Soviet era instead of having to, say, tutor spoiled rich kids or whatever they do to make a living now
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Post 11 Dec 2013, 13:25
At least the USA didn't murder it's writers for refusing to toe the part line!
Or was it unfortunate that so many authors living under Stalin were actually Nazi spies and counter-revolutionaries!
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 07 Dec 2013, 14:24
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Post 11 Dec 2013, 13:31
If the proletariat were the ruling class how come there were special shops and privileges for the party elite that the proletarians were denied?
In Moscow there were shops that only the party elite could use, armed guards would stop the workers getting in!
Funny way to rule a country eh? I mean if I was a member of the ruling class I would not put up with that, but of course we all know what happened to those that protested to the life in the USSR.
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