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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 14 Jul 2008, 20:01
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Post 12 Dec 2010, 15:04
Communist party cadres were expected to comply with an extremely strict code of morality. Unfaithfulness in a marriage could lead to getting into trouble with your party organization up until the 80's. Under Stalin this would have been a lot more strict.

Russia just after the revolution was not different from what it was before the revolution, sexually. Because sexually people have more or less always done what they wanted. Now what they want is culturally determined, and culture doesn't change over night, no matter how hard you may try to enforce such a change.
"Don't know why i'm still surprised with this shit anyway." - Loz
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 05 Dec 2010, 16:17
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Post 12 Dec 2010, 15:10
If Russia had not been socially and sexually liberated after the Revolution, it was still certainly much more so than it had been under the Tsar. Here's an interesting article on the subject: http://www.socialistworker.co.uk/art.php?id=10491

I am aware of the fact that anything to do "sexual depravity" under Stalin was re-criminalized. However, this of course did not apply to the Party, who at the time, were corrupt. Beria and Yezhov as an example.

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Russia just after the revolution was not different from what it was before the revolution, sexually. Because sexually people have more or less always done what they wanted.


True, but the laws concerning what was acceptable and what wasn't did change, therfore, allowed people to express themselves more freely.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 14 Jul 2008, 20:01
Ideology: Trotskyism
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Post 12 Dec 2010, 15:22
My point is that 90% of the Russian population were starving, deeply religious, analphabets until Stalin's time. Deeply religious peasants usually stick to their traditions of monogamous, faithful marriage and do not celebrate orgies, no matter what the legal status of such orgies might be.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 06 Dec 2009, 23:17
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Post 12 Dec 2010, 15:28
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My point is that 90% of the Russian population were starving, deeply religious, analphabets until Stalin's time.

A:Stalin time brought the first famine since 1922.
2:Religion had already been dealt with just after(and during) the Civil war.
See:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Society_of_the_Godless
3.Mass-education campaigns started during,and immediately after the Civil war.

Stalin "came to power" only in 1927.
What you're saying is not correct.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 14 Jul 2008, 20:01
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Post 12 Dec 2010, 15:32
Why are you doing this? Every time I mention Stalin you're assaulting me with petty details that have nothing to do with the substance of what I'm saying.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 06 Dec 2009, 23:17
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Post 12 Dec 2010, 15:40
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Every time I mention Stalin you're assaulting me with petty details that have nothing to do with the substance of what I'm saying.

They do.
None of these are "petty details" imho.
Anyway,what bothers me is that it seems that you're downplaying the accomplishments of Lenin's Russia/Soviet Union.
Pre-Stalin USSR wasn't that backwards.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 08 Nov 2007, 06:31
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Post 12 Dec 2010, 19:35
Pre-Stalin USSR was continuing the NEP program after Lenin's death to no avail for soviet industrialization. That says enough about the status of the population.
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Post 12 Dec 2010, 19:41
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Pre-Stalin USSR was continuing the NEP program after Lenin's death to no avail for soviet industrialization

It is false that there hadn't been any industrialization/modernization during the NEP.

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That says enough about the status of the population.

False.Soviet society of the 20's was undoubtedly the most progressive one at that time,even though the country's industry/the means of production were rather backwards compared to the richest capitalist states' ones.
That's why Lenin speaks about "the superstructure getting ahead of the base."
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Post 12 Dec 2010, 20:30
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It is false that there hadn't been any industrialization/modernization during the NEP.


Industry failed to sail past what it was prior to world war one, which was in fact the goal of the NEP. If there was any additional industrialization, it was marginal. This was why Stalin pursued the five year plans and collectivization.

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False.Soviet society of the 20's was undoubtedly the most progressive one at that time,even though the country's industry/the means of production were rather backwards compared to the richest capitalist states' ones.
That's why Lenin speaks about "the superstructure getting ahead of the base."


Early soviet society was one of the largest, and most backward out of all of europe. It cannot change that quickly, the superstructure only 'got ahead' of the base because class-conscious communists were in power, whom wouldn't have if the russian empire hadn't performed so miserably during the war and gave itself an equally miserable image amongst the population with things like 'bloody sunday' in 1905. Most people weren't on board with the bolsheviks or communism, but rather liberalism, social democracy, etc.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 06 Dec 2009, 23:17
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Post 12 Dec 2010, 22:53
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Industry failed to sail past what it was prior to world war one, which was in fact the goal of the NEP.

False.
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INDUSTRIAL production in the U.S.S.R. definitely passed the pre-war level during the fiscal year [The Soviet fiscal year runs from October 1 to September 30.] 1926-27 for the first time since the Revolution. The recovery crowned a steady upward struggle of over five years from the winter of 1921-22, when, as a result of the World War, the civil struggles and foreign invasions, the output of industry had fallen to i per cent of the output for 1913. Industrial production for the fiscal year 1927-28 was approximately 125 per cent of that of 1913. The recovery has been effected without the aid of a single foreign loan.

http://www.marxists.org/history/ussr/go ... s/ch05.htm

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If there was any additional industrialization, it was marginal.

It maybe was marginal,but still not negligible and unimportant.For example,much of the original GOELRO plan had been realized in those early years.

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Early soviet society was one of the largest, and most backward out of all of europe

No,it was definitely the most progressive society out of all Europe,and the World in general.
Where else did legalized homosexuality or legally recognized full social equality of women or anti-religious campaigns exist at that time?

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Most people weren't on board with the bolsheviks or communism, but rather liberalism, social democracy, etc.

The majority of Russian/Soviet peoples sided with the Bolsheviks.Were it not for that mass support the victory in the Civil war wouldn't have been possible.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 11 Dec 2010, 00:06
Ideology: Juche
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Post 14 Dec 2010, 10:13
My fiancees parents met at a Soviet disco in Kishinev in the early 80s. They listend to western music, Pink floyd and bony em quite legally. Dont beive all the crap you here about it being illegal. You could buy they Beatles and so on it was just hard to get. Ofcourse there was some band music but in the west there was to.
There wasnt so many drugs about in the Soviet Union, but who needs that when you could get free Vodka! It wasnt always free but from what I understand on celebration days it was. Toilet paper and mustard was free as well aparently. The beer was quite poor though-Zhigulovsky it was called. They still have it, its the cheapest kind but some older Russian swear by it, or is that swear at it?
It wasnt all marching songs and millitary parades. Have any of you seen any classic Soveit films? I dont mean political ones but comedy ones and so one? The Diamond Arm or Ivan Vassileavich changes his proffession? Look them up, these are considerd comedy classics here.
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