Ok, so I just had my AC break in my house and waiting for it to return, I realized how much I fallen in love with the Air Conditioning.
My question is, did Warsaw Pact countries, U.S.S.R. and others have AC like we do in America?
Does anyone know what the situation is like in Cuba or North Korea?
Now, this could be because I live in Florida, where it is constantly hot, but the problem comes with such high rates with the Humidity.
So, Maybe because of where I live it may factor in?
America is just fragging spoiled in terms of air conditioning. It's not the norm in Europe, except in some of the warmer countries at the Mediterranean coast. I would suspect that it exists in Cuba, but it probably isn't very widespread in the DPRK, because the climate simply doesn't require it.
I don't think it was very widespread in the USSR and bloc states because it really is an unnecessary spoil unless you live in a tropical climate like Cuba.
I don't know about Pact states,but air condition(in homes) was almost nonexistent before 2000's in Croatia.
I remember that some offices in Yugoslavia had air condition though.I assume Pact states weren't much better(since Yugoslavia generally had a better standard of living)
Did you see the temperatures in Russia nowadays?Yeah,it know it's an exception but Summers can be(and usually are) really hot in Eastern Europe.
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Yeah, how warm does it get? Like 35-40 degrees? We have that too in Germany, most people don't have AC, and we're still alive, thank you very much.
In Greece, where temperatures in an Athens flat can easily reach 50 degrees if you don't have AC, things are different.
And what about plattenbau?
Have you ever been in a flat on the last floor of a tower-block during the summer?
But let's leave that for now...does anyone have real info?
I'd say that Warsaw pact countries mostly didn't have Air conditioned tower blocks(judging from the pictures i saw),but i'm not sure about the percentage of housings that actually did have AC.
Dunno about the USSR & Warsaw Pact countries, but I grew up with ceiling and small electric fans in PR China in the 80's & early 90's, and they served their purpose just fine. My family did have an AC, and those were around, but not as widespread as they are now (every family seems to have one nowadays). I probably complained about the heat after I had been exposed to the AC, but kids are whiny as hell in general, and I was no exception... but I digress.
It wasn't until I moved to North America, had lived here for a few years, and started to get used to colder weather (I had previously found cold to be more unsuitable than heat) that I started to really have a stronger desire for ACs or fans or something to help me cool off more in the warmer days of the summer or when I go to visit the PRC. I guess in those places since people are more used to whatever climate they grew up with, that AC & other forms of cooling become less necessary. Otherwise, we would have all died off ages ago.
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Mabool...a shitload of russians died in a heatwave a couple months ago. You're pathetic if you're serious about this 'spoiled' thing.
Oh. Well, I sincerely apologize if I've been too insensitive. I said that I only think that you're spoiled with AC if you don't need it. Apparently, Russia needs it. I didn't know that.
The average July temp. in Stuttgart is 24 C.
It's 23.2 in Moscow.
I believe that most of the population in Moscow lives in high-rise apartments.
While 24 degrees is not intolerable,it can be much hotter inside these apartments,especially on upper floors.
And Moscow is actually a northern city.Ukraine,for example,is usually "hotter".
Dude 40 degree celsius is hot as shit. Especially when you factor in humidity around fifty to seventy percent and you're talking about death conditions. AC is not a luxury although it is used as such sometimes.
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I've to say that, since I moved to my current house like 10 years ago, and until I got AC, I just couldn't sleep in summer unless by:
1) Getting drunk
2) Just keeping doing something until I was so fragging tired I fell asleep with only touching my bed.
We've nights with >30ºC and 35607695876398476895346759384% humidity. That. Is. Insane.
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I know the feeling Valex.
But, I've recently started doing this, keep my AC off till about 8 or 9, let it cool the house down then around 10 or 10:30 I head to sleep till the morning and I turn it off till the next day.
Helps with the electric bill but by god I hate the dam heat and humidity of Florida.
Heres a question, do you guys think it should be a responsibility to provide full time AC in homes and in special centers for people to cool down and also at jobs in a Socialist/Communist state? At least in environments like Florida and Cuba (and others)?
Yes.Air condition is not really a luxury(just like heating).
It drastically improves the productivity and life quality of the working class.
Very little air conditioning in the Soviet Union -probably none in housing. Most people just used small electric fans to keep cool.
Most of them died of drowning, probably caused by heavy drinking before deciding to go in the water to "cool off". Russia is probably the only country in the world where a heat wave results in a big rise in drowning deaths.
I'm on the fence with this one. Personally, living in a cooler climate, I'm not really a fan of A/C as it is. The air doesn't feel fresh, it's expensive to run, and in public places and work its usually set to be too cool for me to be comfortable. If it breaks, you get chemicals leaking out and making you sick. I suppose that for hot areas like those you mention it's more of a necessity.
Also, Loz, air conditioning is a luxury. If you didn't have them in Croatia until 2000s and got on fine without them, it's a luxury. I don't have air conditioning but my productivity and material quality of life are fine.
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false. in hungary every house has AC in every room without exception while in slovenia i dont think even the most modern ones are equiped with one. my distant cousin has one in a living room and that pretty much the only house i know having AC. dont ask me why is it so, i guess it has something to do with country's mentality.
I don't really think it's a luxury.It certainly isn't going to be in the future.
Because of global warming,average temperatures will rise everywhere,and even in places where people didn't need AC before,it would become a necessity,just as heating.
People in Croatia did "just fine" without AC just as their grandmothers did just fine without washing-machines.
Same's with central heating for example.
Come to Dalmatia in the summer,and try to get some sleep in an apartment without AC.
Summers in inland have gotten much more hotter too,and there are days when AC comes as a savior.
Or the fact that Hungary is 90% steppe where summers are usually extremely hot,and Slovenia is a mountainous country with "alpine" climate?
we dont have alpine climate everywhere. and besides no one has ACs in istria either for some reason and climate there definitely isnt alpine. also temperatures in hungary at the moment are much lower than in slovenia.
Yeah,i know that.But most of your country is mountainous and is usually cooler than the Panonian steppe for example.
Istria is cooler than Dalmatia,but summers still are rather hot.I was there twice,and in both cases apartments had AC.
True,but temperatures in Hungary(Budapest) are lower than those in Moscow these days. Hell,even Rome is cooler than Moscow.
It's an abnormality.
I think that a socialist state should provide it's citizens with AC if it's deemed necessary-and that can be objectively determined by science(for example,finding out the highest tolerable temperature for workers to function normally).
If it's observed that AC drastically improves worker's productivity,then there are no more questions about the necessity of AC.
Those who need AC,would get it for free(there would be a centralized cooling system for every tower block to maximize efficiency).
we aint that small country how come milano which is closer to the mountains is hot like inferno then?
regardless it's mediterranean climate no matter how you turn it.
yeah but it's not the first time.
I've been taught at school that Slovenia was mostly alpine climate.
Avarage temp in Milano is 24C.It's 19 in Ljubljana(August)
24 is not exactly hot like inferno.
I'm not saying it isn't.
We have to wait for at least 10 years to make real conclusions.
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