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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 11 Nov 2009, 07:13 Ideology: Other Leftist Politburo
Lenin legalised it, then Stalin illegalised it. Are their any legitimate reasons?
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 13 Feb 2008, 15:25 Ideology: Other Leftist Politburo
Slavic people tend to be very conservative in thier opinions about homosexuality. This is what influenced Stalin's policy. His government changed a lot of things from Lenin's era which weren't popular, like the banning of Christmas as an official holiday (Stalin made the Orthodox Christmas day a national holiday again).
Probably Stalin was a homo hater? Simple as that.
"Don't know why i'm still surprised with this shit anyway." - Loz
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 14 Jan 2010, 05:46 Ideology: Marxism-Leninism Party Member
I don't think Stalin personally hated homosexuals I think he was just more conservative then Lenin and he did go to a Georgian Orthodox seminary in his late teens so that might of influenced his views on marriage and sexuality
"Those who do not move, do not notice their chains." - Rosa Luxemburg Long Live The Bolivarian Revolution! RIP Muamar Qadafi RIP Hugo Chavez
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 18 Apr 2010, 04:44 Ideology: None Philosophized
During WWII, Stalin was forced to make a lot of concessions to keep the USSR united in the face of the enemy. He allowed more freedom to the Church, more expression of native cultures such as the Buryat, and also allowed a number of entrenched bourgeois prejudices to persist, such as the discrimininatory measures against homosexuals.
Miss Strangelove: "You feed giants laxatives so goblins can mine their poop before the gnomes get to it."
When the USSR was founded they had radical views such as free love, progressive schooling, atheism and other such liberal views but the public still held very conservative views on society which was the reason that Stalin reversed many of the policies that were implemented earlier. It was done out of pragmatism because if they had continued with such policies, they would have alienated the masses and make them reactionary. All states more less lose their radicalism and become conservative so that their power is consolidated and the USSR was no different.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 18 Apr 2010, 04:44 Ideology: None Philosophized
Such measures were also in line with the cultural realities of 70 years ago. Nowadays, if Socialism came to the US, we'd be able to enact far more lasting reforms concerning gay marriage, adoption, etc., simply because the last 30 years under Capitalism have seen an increased presence in agitation for such and "prepared" the public to accept such things. There would still be an outcry from the traditional reactionary sectors, but the general tide of public opinion concerning these issues has been steadily turning in our favor, and most of them could be counted on to support us.
Miss Strangelove: "You feed giants laxatives so goblins can mine their poop before the gnomes get to it."
Since when is communism about gay rights anyway ?
We need to make revolution so our kids wont grow up in corporate prostitution
Sky was the limit. Then the communists came!
Since always? Homosexual workers are as much our comrades as anyone else and will be a part of the world we build.
![]() Quote: More like since the 1960's. I don't remember Marx or Lenin (not to mention Stalin or Che) focusing on homosexual rights.
Then they were wrong.
"Don't know why i'm still surprised with this shit anyway." - Loz
Quote: Have you ever thought about how homosexuality was more-less a taboo subject back then,and that most of homosexuals didn't really show off with their sex. orientation anyway? I mean,the matter of homosexuality certainly wasn't on the top of party agenda. Last edited by Loz on 12 Nov 2010, 04:07, edited 2 times in total.
I know. They weren't wrong but rather just didn't give a shit. I just said they were wrong because I hoped you'd panic and scream "REVISIONISM!!!11"
"Don't know why i'm still surprised with this shit anyway." - Loz
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 18 Apr 2010, 04:44 Ideology: None Philosophized
The fact is that "identity politics" has emerged as far more of an issue in the post-WWII than it ever had been before. This is partly due to Socialists forcing these issues into the spotlight, and helping to keep them there. So issues such as gay rights, women's rights, and minoritie's rights are now, and always have been, our issues. The bourgeois has done its best to minimize the damaging effects of such issues by splitting them up and delaying their full effect (Slavery abolished in 1865, women's suffrage not established until 1920, gays still without marriage rights).
Miss Strangelove: "You feed giants laxatives so goblins can mine their poop before the gnomes get to it."
Goldfather wrote: In that communism (in a sense) is about liberation and stopping the exploitation of a person by another person. LGBT liberations, women's liberation, enviromentalist issues, ending racism, ect. have always been our isssues; however, socialists always relate it back to the root problem of capitalist exploitation, wage slavery, the massing of capital in the hands of a few, ect. The capitalists and the New Left for that matter, have always tried to make each individual struggle isolated from each other. ![]() "By what standard of morality can the violence used by a slave to break his chains be considered the same as the violence of a slave master?" - Walter Rodney
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 11 Dec 2010, 00:06 Ideology: Juche Pioneer
I have to say I dont agree with homosexual rights in socialism. Stalin did the right thing. Homosexuality and all that free love nonsense are not issues for communists. If your gay then get over your self and join the fight.
Thier is such a party!" "Есть такая партия!" Lenin,Ленин
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 11 Dec 2010, 00:06 Ideology: Juche Pioneer
I would like to say im sorry if ive offended anyone. Some times I get on my big Stalinist high hourse about stuff. If a comrades gay hes gay. Thats his choice I just dont think its the big issue.Sorry again!
Thier is such a party!" "Есть такая партия!" Lenin,Ленин
No, it's refreshing to hear other opinions. I don't think anybody is offended.
"Don't know why i'm still surprised with this shit anyway." - Loz
Quote: Well, actually no it isn't, but I suppose I understand your point fully haha. As for the question posed as to why homosexual rights are communists issue, well, I agree fully with RR and Dagoth. A homosexual worker is, none the less, a worker just as much as you or I are. ![]()
http://www.socialistworker.co.uk/art.php?id=10491
Quote: I strongly believe that communism is only true once it has given freedom and social equality to everyone This means homosexuals, the mentally ill, etc, etc, and opresses anyone who doesn't want this, is this a contradiction? No, because anyone who disagrees with human equality and dignity is a Nazi (<< exaggeration, but seriously, they deserve nothing else). Plus, when homosexuals or anyone else deemed untypical are oppressed by capitalism, they inevitably become members of the oppressed working class themselves. And when is capitalism ever non-discriminative? Free love, not trade!
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