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The "Soviet Palace"

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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 20 Aug 2006, 01:10
Unperson
Post 23 Oct 2006, 06:53
My God, thank you for that link vitaliy. It brought tears to my eyes that those structures never saw the light of day.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 28 Apr 2005, 19:00
Pioneer
Post 23 Oct 2006, 21:11
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This is a new appendix (entrance) to the Deutsche Historische Museum (The History Museum of Germany) in Berlin, designed by chinese-american architect Ieoh Ming Pei. He has told the idea came from Tatlin's famous 3-rd International design
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 19 Aug 2006, 17:42
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R.I.P.
Post 23 Oct 2006, 21:21
yes and we got this a few years ago:

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and the omnipresent picasso in the daley plaza:

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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 28 Apr 2005, 19:00
Pioneer
Post 23 Oct 2006, 21:29
WoW! Interesting! In Chicago?
What is this big bubble? Who is the author - Jeff Koons...?
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 18 Sep 2004, 16:21
Politburo
Post 23 Oct 2006, 21:32
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What is this big bubble? Who is the author - Jeff Koons...?

Jeff Koons would have constructed a giant model of himself having sex with a porn model rather than a 'big bubble', so it can't be by him.
"Comrade Lenin left us a great legacy, and we fucкed it up." - Josef Stalin
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 28 Apr 2005, 19:00
Pioneer
Post 23 Oct 2006, 21:49
To Potemkin

Yeah, You're right - porn and so on... but in Venice is exhibited one of Koons' sculptures - "Balloon dog", which is somehow similar, at least so glossy..., look
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But this big Bean-like form in Chicago is, I found it after little googling, a new installation called Cloud Gate by Anish Kapoor, international artist - http://www.lynnbecker.com/repeat/Gehry/kapoor.htm
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 24 Nov 2005, 08:18
Komsomol
Post 24 Oct 2006, 00:48
Corsar!!! Is it really you?!?!? Wow! My good old Estonian...friend! I haven't seen you post here since Tue Jan 24, 2006 3:54 am!
Now...let's browse the forum to see what silly Estonian agitprop you have been spreading...
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"Art belongs to the people!" - V.I. Lenin
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 28 Apr 2005, 19:00
Pioneer
Post 24 Oct 2006, 20:14
Vitaly!

What is wrong with You?! You have been looking for me...I'm flattered
What agitprop...are You OK?
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 21 Dec 2004, 23:53
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Philosophized
Post 24 Oct 2006, 20:42
adamruscan wrote:
You're nuts. For one, it wasn't just for Lenin, but a symbol for what the U.S.S.R is and always will be.


I'm not saying that it was a bad idea once the USSR got stable. But I'm just against glorifing an individual to such an extreme. It would have been better with a symbol or something. ie:
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"By what standard of morality can the violence used by a slave to break his chains be considered the same as the violence of a slave master?" - Walter Rodney
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 20 Aug 2006, 01:10
Unperson
Post 26 Oct 2006, 02:28
But he IS a symbol.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 28 Jun 2004, 19:28
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Post 26 Oct 2006, 05:34
He was a MAN. A man who deserves to be left to rest in peace like any other person.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 20 Aug 2006, 01:10
Unperson
Post 26 Oct 2006, 05:47
We're talking nothing about the "man". That is the entire point. And the structure was not intended to be a glorification.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 16 Nov 2005, 17:55
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Post 26 Oct 2006, 13:21
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And the structure was not intended to be a glorification.


True, but given the preeminence of Lenin statues during the Soviet era, it's not surprising that most would think that.

Lenin WAS a man, but today, he IS a symbol. It is wrong that he was glorified to such an enormous degree after he died, but the current presence of his mummy in the middle of Moscow and whatever "few" (correct me if I'm wrong) statues remain are a reminder of the Soviet legacy and what the USSR stood for.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 26 Oct 2006, 03:07
Pioneer
Post 26 Oct 2006, 17:17
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I'm against the extreme glourification of an individual, even Lenin.


I strongly second that. Both Stalin and Mao were very much opposed to the 'cult of personality' that was rampant throughout China and Russia. And as history shows, the 'cult of personality' has been quite problematic. It makes for great propaganda to be used by enemies of socialism.
"Check ya self before ya wreck ya self, aiii"
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 27 Jul 2006, 18:32
Komsomol
Post 27 Oct 2006, 02:40
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I'm against the extreme glourification of an individual, even Lenin


The people should remember what the person they are honoring faught for and why he is remebered but you don't need to build huge building to honor this man. instead you should honor the people who gave him the ablitiy to do what he could for no great leader could of done what he did without the people.
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