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What are your beliefs about the nature of God?

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What are your beliefs about the nature of God? Please check two!

God is an all-knowing, all-powerful, and all-loving Creator.
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God is an all-loving Creator who nevertheless does not possess ultimate knowledge and power.
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God is an all-knowing, all-powerful Creator who is evil.
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God is the Creator of the Universe, but He cannot be condemned so absolutely. He possesses elements of both good and bad.
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"God" is either impersonal or removed from Earth. It cannot be condemned as an active, sentient personal identity.
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There is no God.
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Perhaps there is a God, perhaps there isn't, but who cares? (Sorry for not giving apatheists a chance to distinguish themselves as theistic-leaning or atheistic-leaning!)
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I believe I will spend eternity in Paradise.
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I believe I will spend eternity in torment.
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I do not believe in the existence of an eternal, dualistic afterlife. (Sorry again for lumping so many different strands of thought into one option, but I can only make ten options!)
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Post 28 Nov 2015, 01:47
If a loving God existed, every one of us would live in a 400 room mansion, accompanied by an army of servants and concubines, feasting on the choicest grapes, riding pristine white stallions back and forth to our friends' homes, and just generally enjoying the good things of life - an eternal life, untrammeled by hunger, poverty, or sexual frustration.

And if we ever had any trouble? No trouble. A loving God would already have granted us the power to fix it in an instant to our complete existential satisfaction, so that we would never even need to bother him with it.

What? The world doesn't work that way? Ergo, no loving God exists.

Which leaves us with a new set of alternatives.

First alternative: A God exists which has no personality, or none that we can discern. He either is unconscious of the trouble faced by his creations, or he simply doesn't care.

In which case, frag him. Prayer is useless, which means he may as well not exist at all.

Second alternative: He doesn't exist.

In which case, live your life by these basic rules: Eat while the eating's good, protect your life, and help your fellow animals where possible.

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Post 28 Nov 2015, 01:59
Why would we want food if we'd never been hungry? How would we know we were happy if we'd never been sad? How could we live if we could never die?

Paradise without Tribulation is Stagnation. It is being a simple creature with no creativity.

Is it love to make every decision for your child, insulating them from reality, making them absolutely dependent on you? If God wanted us to just be speakers that blasted out Her praises 24/7 She would have given us Paradise and She would have kept us there. We would have never even considered disloyalty under such circumstances.

I get that you are angry with those religious people who abused you in the name of their poorly thought-out Sky Fairy. But God didn't hurt you, God didn't kill Abel. This hatred you carry is just an inverse form of prayer, where you affirm to God that you will not be asking for Her favor, that you have spurned Her and she should be sad to have lost you. I get it. She never helped you either, so you're not even wrong. I am just saying that you are right there next to those who pray to God, you're just doing it different.

I wish I had that kind of connection to God still. I don't really have any feelings regarding Her anymore.
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Post 28 Nov 2015, 16:54
That's one way of putting it; "God created a material universe". Thanks
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Post 11 Dec 2015, 23:02
Dagoth Ur wrote:
Why would we want food if we'd never been hungry? How would we know we were happy if we'd never been sad? How could we live if we could never die?


Well that's bullshit. Rich people have had enough hunger to enjoy awesome food. Their amount of trouble seems quite enough to live a fulfilled life. The amount of trouble poor people go through is just way too much. I'm sad to an amount where I haven't felt actual happiness in quite some time, and I see people who are mostly happy and only sometimes sad. I would rather have their ratio. Why don't I get it?
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Post 13 Dec 2015, 08:50
I don't know. It is just that I like getting high enough to justify the sober parts.
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Post 07 Jan 2016, 10:08
There is no God and Stalin is God. We use to follow all his orders anyway. No offense to Maoists.
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Post 07 Jan 2016, 21:32
Whom do you think would stand closer to God and worthy of salvation? Will it be the well-wishing communist whose wish and actions are to cloth the naked, feed the hungry and give shelter to the homeless? Or will it be the gruesome illwishing capitalist who is greedy, numb to the numbers of employees he has let go and due to his stinginess refuses to contribute tithes to the church? Will it be the perfect example of a gruesome illwishing capitalist who slapped a lad who marvelled at his car. This I tell you! They number by the hundreds of millions!
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Post 20 Jan 2016, 17:27
I was raised Christian and consider myself a cultural Christian. I believe organized religion is evil.

I believe that the correct position is the agnostic position. Agnostic and theist, agnostic and atheist, or agnostic and apatheist. Agnosticism has to do with knowledge, and theism belief.

People who claim to know for sure one way or another, I believe, are intellectually invalidating themselves. Now of course, I can say for sure that there is no bearded man up in the clouds! I am speaking on whether or not there is a force that exists as the prime cause of the universe. I am an agnostic theist. I do not have the answers. But if I pressed, I would say there is a First Cause of the universe.

However, as a communist it is very important to be anti-clerical because mainstream Protestantism and the Catholic Church is a force for evil in this world. I mean no offense to any communists who are Christian or otherwise. But I believe that our Christian communist comrades are in error.

I believe that under Communism, Christians should do as they do in China. Meet in houses. The Communist State can send agents just to monitor to make sure they are not trying to undermine the Communist State. As long as all they care about is worship and their faith - do it in peace. But do not build churches of stone on street corners. Do not monetize yourselves. This is anathema to everything Communism is about.
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Post 20 Jan 2016, 21:38
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I was raised Christian and consider myself a cultural Christian. I believe organized religion is evil.

I believe that the correct position is the agnostic position. Agnostic and theist, agnostic and atheist, or agnostic and apatheist. Agnosticism has to do with knowledge, and theism belief.

People who claim to know for sure one way or another, I believe, are intellectually invalidating themselves. Now of course, I can say for sure that there is no bearded man up in the clouds! I am speaking on whether or not there is a force that exists as the prime cause of the universe. I am an agnostic theist. I do not have the answers. But if I pressed, I would say there is a First Cause of the universe.

However, as a communist it is very important to be anti-clerical because mainstream Protestantism and the Catholic Church is a force for evil in this world. I mean no offense to any communists who are Christian or otherwise. But I believe that our Christian communist comrades are in error.

I believe that under Communism, Christians should do as they do in China. Meet in houses. The Communist State can send agents just to monitor to make sure they are not trying to undermine the Communist State. As long as all they care about is worship and their faith - do it in peace. But do not build churches of stone on street corners. Do not monetize yourselves. This is anathema to everything Communism is about.

I mostly agree with what you have posted over all. The only points I want to raise is that the social problems caused by organized religion is due in large part to such clericalist movements as for example dominion theology. And in the People's Republic of China , the house churches are actually the illegal congregations that operate underground. All authorized religious sects must register with the government . https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_religion_in_China . This is done to ensure that no association undermine the state , and society , of the People's Republic . http://en.people.cn/92824/92845/92875/6442436.html More controversially , the Chinese Communists also currently forbid people of faith from joining the party http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/02/02/china-communist-party-atheism-zhejiang-ban-religious-members-christianity_n_6599722.html , even though most other remaining Communist ruled countries , such as for instance Vietnam , have since rescinded such a ban http://www.economist.com/news/briefing/21629218-rapid-spread-christianity-forcing-official-rethink-religion-cracks.
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Post 21 Jan 2016, 06:53
Jason24 wrote:
I mostly agree with what you have posted over all. The only points I want to raise is that the social problems caused by organized religion is due in large part to such clericalist movements as for example dominion theology. And in the People's Republic of China , the house churches are actually the illegal congregations that operate underground. All authorized religious sects must register with the government . https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_religion_in_China . This is done to ensure that no association undermine the state , and society , of the People's Republic . http://en.people.cn/92824/92845/92875/6442436.html More controversially , the Chinese Communists also currently forbid people of faith from joining the party http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/02/02/china-communist-party-atheism-zhejiang-ban-religious-members-christianity_n_6599722.html , even though most other remaining Communist ruled countries , such as for instance Vietnam , have since rescinded such a ban http://www.economist.com/news/briefing/21629218-rapid-spread-christianity-forcing-official-rethink-religion-cracks.


Thank you.


I actually meant for the China comparison to end after I mentioned meeting in houses, the rest were my ideas on how I feel it should be handled in a Communist State. But your post was very informative and helped clear it up.

I feel that Christians should be able to join the Communist party on a few conditions:

1. They are not loyal to a denomination or sect. They are independent, non-denominational Christians practicing a vanilla form of Christianity. Trouble arises when sectarianism is introduced. We can't have communist party members arguing amongst themselves over religion of all things.

2. They they must be made to swear an allegiance to the People's State, and swear an oath that their religious beliefs must not come before their duty to uphold the communist constitution.

3. They acknowledge that they will be monitored more closely than non-religious members of government.

4. They must agree that if they are to seek leadership positions in the communist State, they must end all church involvement. They can believe what they wish - but no more church. The focus of a Communist leader is not to get into heaven, but in trying to create heaven here.
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Post 21 Jan 2016, 10:45
God is a concept
By which we measure
Our pain
I'll say it again
God is a concept
By which we measure
Our pain

I don't believe in magic
I don't believe in I-Ching
I don't believe in Bible
I don't believe in tarot
I don't believe in Hitler
I don't believe in Jesus
I don't believe in Kennedy
I don't believe in Buddha
I don't believe in mantra
I don't believe in Gita
I don't believe in yoga
I don't believe in kings
I don't believe in Elvis
I don't believe in Zimmerman
I don't believe in Beatles
I just believe in me
Yoko and me
And that's reality

The dream is over
What can I say?
The dream is over
Yesterday
I was the dream weaver
But now I'm reborn
I was the Walrus
But now I'm John
And so dear friends
You just have to carry on
The dream is over
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Post 21 Jan 2016, 20:54
The Gospel according to John… Lennon?
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Post 07 Feb 2016, 19:33
Kahlil Gibran wrote:
God is the expression of the intelligent universe.
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My laws shall act more pleasure than command,
And with my prick I'll govern all the land.
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Post 22 Feb 2016, 12:04
I have recently converted to Islam, and self-describe as a Quranist Muslim.
Regarding the nature of God, I would position myself somewhere between the first two options. While I believe God to be all-good and all-knowing, I think there are forces at work that hold back the complete implementation of God's goodwill. Therefore, I would not describe God as being all-powerful in the usual sense of the word.
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Post 22 Feb 2016, 12:06
On a different note, now that we're on the subject: what are your opinions about the compatibility of Islam and Communism?
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Post 22 Feb 2016, 15:14
Wakizashi the Bolshevik wrote:
On a different note, now that we're on the subject: what are your opinions about the compatibility of Islam and Communism?


Zero. One looks toward the future, the other remains permanently rooted in the 7th century. Of course, both are "rebellious" ideologies that shock parents and look super cool as interests listed on a Youtube account.

If you really want to accomplish something positive in the world, how about donating money to the democratic Socialist candidate in your country? Or doing volunteer work on their behalf?

If you feel like you have no other choice than to adopt extremist ideology, and then double down with an extremist/millenarian world view, you've already cast yourself into the fringes where nothing you say or do will ever matter. Why do that to yourself at such a young age?

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Post 22 Feb 2016, 15:27
I don't recall saying anything about an "extremist ideology". In fact, only one is an ideology, the other being a religion.

It has little to do with "shocking my parents", I see little reason to do so since I have my own family and as such have very little to gain with shocking my folks.

On the concept of activity, I am an active member of the communist party in my country, and have been for years. Supporting a "democratic socialist candidate" seems like a hollow liberal phrase that in the end yields very little. As decades of social-democratic participation in bourgeois governments have clearly shown over here.
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Post 22 Feb 2016, 18:02
Just because you don't care to be a "liberal" anymore doesn't mean you need to move to the extremest possible fringe.

If you possess basic empathy for your fellow human beings, you don't need superstition.

If you lack basic empathy for your fellow human beings, no amount of rigorous observance of rituals and 7th century cosplay is going to generate it in you.
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Post 22 Feb 2016, 23:37
Dude, he said he's turned to Islam. Not to whahabism.

He sounds like a pretty moderate muslim, like most of them.


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Post 23 Feb 2016, 01:09
Assalamu alaikum brother WtB.
Mashallah!

There are plenty of places where Islam and Bolshevism intersect (anti-racism, humanism, anti-poverty themes, etc.). More to the point the form of any religion is part of its particular superstructure, and its base. Muslim workers will be integral to worldwide revolution.

Also Quranism is a laudable sect. I follow the Sufi. Don't listen to Order's anti-theism either.
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