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Would an American wiring money to Donbass be arrested?

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Would an American wiring money to Donbass be arrested?

Within weeks.
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Within months.
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Within years.
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Never.
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Never, unless the amount was more that a hundred dollars.
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They would be sentenced to prison.
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They would not be sentenced to prison.
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They would be able to fly to Moscow or Rostov using their real identity.
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They would be able to fly using their real identity, but only to allied European countries.
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They would no longer be able to fly internationally.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 28 Mar 2015, 03:50
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Post 01 May 2015, 22:52
How quickly would an American be arrested after attempting to wire money to combrig Alexei Mozgovoi's personal Sberbank account? Would they be sentenced to prison? Would they be able to fly to Russia afterward? Please check three to four options!

This is my first poll, and one of my first posts period. I hope I'm not abusing the intended use of the website here. Anyway, I was trying to understand why YouTube's "Kazzura" so aggressively broadcasts combrig Alexei Mozgovoi's democratic socialist Prizrak Brigade's Sberbank financial information. I mean, it is extremely admirable, but does it really have a point for American audiences? (Kazzura gives videos of Prizrak and others English subtitles, but she also annotates the financial info herself, I think!) Would any wire transfer actually reach combrig Mozgovoi's Sberbank account from the United States‽ And also, how quickly would one be arrested after attempting to do so? To my knowledge, only one ethnic American and one American Russian have volunteered in the militias, both for Essence of Time, I believe, so I suppose there might not be a huge base of potential donors in the United States! Even so, does Kazzura expect Americans to donate without meeting a swift end to their activities unless they physically travel to New York and go to Sberbank's single American outpost in person with cash in their pocket? And even then, if the domestic security services wanted to, I'm sure they would still bring you to trial! That is, if they bothered with the whole trial thing for political prisoners . . . .
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Post 04 May 2015, 20:32
I think your question should be how quickly you will end up on some sort of a list after making self-incriminating posts on the internet.
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Post 04 May 2015, 21:01
Western Marxists don't need to fund nationalists and Russian conservatives, they have a patron state and our parties don't, anyway.
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Post 10 May 2015, 13:31
Conscript wrote:
Western Marxists don't need to fund nationalists and Russian conservatives, they have a patron state and our parties don't, anyway.

Right on! At the same time, however, it is fascinating to listen to combrig Alexei Mozgovoi, who points out that Alchevsk hasn't seen a penny of Russia's "humanitarian aid," which he claims is mostly sold even where it does arrive! The Nation published two very flattering articles on him! YouTube's Kazzura translates some of his videos into English, which I find fascinating! He discusses issues with both eastern and western Ukrainian oligarchy, or at least as much as is appropriate during a war!
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Post 13 May 2015, 10:49
Supporting nationalism is not anti-Marxist as long as it is anti-imperialist. Lenin clarified this.

"2) In conformity with its fundamental task of combating bourgeois democracy and exposing its falseness and hypocrisy, the Communist Party, as the avowed champion of the proletarian struggle to overthrow the bourgeois yoke, must base its policy, in the national question too, not on abstract and formal principles but, first, on a precise appraisal of the specific historical situation and, primarily, of economic conditions; second, on a clear distinction between the interests of the oppressed classes, of working and exploited people, and the general concept of national interests as a whole, which implies the interests of the ruling class; third, on an equally clear distinction between the oppressed, dependent and subject nations and the oppressing, exploiting and sovereign nations, in order to counter the bourgeois-democratic lies that play down this colonial and financial enslavement of the vast majority of the world’s population by an insignificant minority of the richest and advanced capitalist countries, a feature characteristic of the era of finance capital and imperialism."

https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1920/jun/05.htm

Ideally we should support the entirety of Ukraine in fighting against pro-EU and ultranationalist factions, which the Ukrainian trade unions and the Ukrainian Communist party are trying to do, but we should also support the rebel's regional aspirations, and, if Ukraine moves into the EU and NATO, independence.
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Post 13 May 2015, 17:45
Um, there's nothing anti-imperialist about any form of nationalism in our day, in Europe at least. We can describe it as a national liberation issue, sure, and opposing of the coup-derived central authority of a Banderist unitary state that opposes autonomy for the East and federalization, and installs repressive pro-Maidan regional governors willy-nilly. Even ultra-left anarchists can get on board with that.

As Communists we can just recognize those in Donbass, Crimea, etc. have no use for the international revolution if it's a lofty idea that doesn't address their national questions. It's how Marx saw (ironically) Poland's relationship to the European revolution in the 19th century.

Let's not have any illusions it's anti-imperialist, though, that term has been dragged through the mud enough already.
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Post 14 May 2015, 09:45
Conscript wrote:
Um, there's nothing anti-imperialist about any form of nationalism in our day, in Europe at least. We can describe it as a national liberation issue, sure, and opposing of the coup-derived central authority of a Banderist unitary state that opposes autonomy for the East and federalization, and installs repressive pro-Maidan regional governors willy-nilly. Even ultra-left anarchists can get on board with that.

As Communists we can just recognize those in Donbass, Crimea, etc. have no use for the international revolution if it's a lofty idea that doesn't address their national questions. It's how Marx saw (ironically) Poland's relationship to the European revolution in the 19th century.

Let's not have any illusions it's anti-imperialist, though, that term has been dragged through the mud enough already.


Good points, and fair enough.
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