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Will Putin send his tanks?

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Will Putin send his tanks?

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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 10 Oct 2007, 15:55
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Post 16 Mar 2014, 00:38
OP-Bagration wrote:
There is a treaty called the Collective Security Treaty Organization (CSTO)

Right, so I did some 'research' on how relevant the CSTO would be in the midst of the current Russia-Ukraine conflict. Found an article a few days out by RT. It seems that Lukashenko is threatened by NATO buildup near its borders and is requesting that Russia deploy some warplanes on Belarus territory.

http://rt.com/news/belarus-russia-warplanes-nato-418/
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Post 16 Mar 2014, 01:55
Good article. We also know that Svoboda is in charge of the National Security Council. Look at their program:

"Develop a program at the level of National Security Council on unilateral actions of Ukraine in case of failure of obligations on the withdrawal of the Black Sea Fleet from the territory of Ukraine until 2017. Demand the immediate withdrawal of the Black Sea Fleet from Crimea, if the Russian Federation further violates the laws of Ukraine and the signed international agreements."


"11. Demand from NATO member countries favorable conditions for Ukraine, clear guarantees and specific terms of possible entry of Ukraine into NATO. Develop and implement a parallel plan for Security and Defense of Ukraine.

12. Develop own system of missile attack warning and means of action in response to the independent or joint basis with other countries. Recover in its entirety the air defense system to protect the country's entire airspace. Strengthen Air Defence to protect strategic facilities and populous cities. Appeal to Western countries to provide Ukraine for rent with mobile air defense system to deploy missile and air shields in exchange for intelligence of Ukrainian radar stations in Sevastopol and Mukachevo. This way, verify the real willingness of NATO to cooperate with Ukraine in the field of defense and security."

This was written between 1995 and 2011!!!

We need Moscow's tanks in Kiev and carpet bombing of Lviv.
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Post 16 Mar 2014, 02:14
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We need Moscow's tanks in Kiev and carpet bombing of Lviv.

I don't, and i don't think communists need that either.
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Post 16 Mar 2014, 02:26
I know, the trotskyists said the same thing during the war.
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Post 16 Mar 2014, 02:32
Some of them did. Most, as far as i know, didn't.
Bonus points for comparing Hitler to Putin ( or Obama or Merkel or whoever ) though.
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Post 16 Mar 2014, 02:50
I'm not comparing Hitler to Putin. I'm comparing Putin to Stalin or Churchill or Roosevelt or De Gaulle, and the nazis in Kiev to Hitler, and you to the trotskyists. And no, most of them did, in France at least, they were a big majority.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 29 Sep 2011, 13:51
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Post 16 Mar 2014, 04:54
There's no need to carpet bomb any Ukrainian city. Lviv is Ukraine's most architecturally beautiful city and a major source of income through tourism. Most of the people living there are just normal everyday folk.

One thing that does surprise and confuse me is how so many of these fascist politicians were able to survive for so long. They all should have been assassinated quickly, quietly, and professionally a long time ago before this whole mess ever started just like they used to do in the Soviet days.

No need for a scandal, an arrest, a trial, or any sort of public statement for that matter. Just pick them up in the middle of the night and make them disappear off the face of the earth. No fascist, no problem.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 16 Dec 2011, 00:54
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Post 16 Mar 2014, 08:21
I agree. Excise the Fascist Tumours quietly and cleanly.

Sadly Surgery is more difficult now.

Less localised and more Agressive treatment may be needed lest the Cancer spread or hide for later resurgence.
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Post 16 Mar 2014, 16:15
Murder is a bad Israeli method, we can't do that. Carpet bombing is more democratic, especially when most of the population is fascist (a majority of the inhabitants of Lviv believe that Bandera was a good man). Also if you want to make a nazi powerless, shut off the gas!
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Post 16 Mar 2014, 17:08
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Post 16 Mar 2014, 19:43
I really have to admit I don't understand why the French Trotskyists acted the way they did. If you interpret the Resistance as a national liberation movement, and that's undeniably what it was, the correct position would obviously be to participate and to try to steer it towards a socialist programme.

But well, the French were complete morons after the war as well, so...
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Post 16 Mar 2014, 19:56
Crimea exit poll: Around 93% back Russia union.



http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26598832

Even if you consider that all of those who didn't vote were against Crimea joining Russia, you would still have a majority.
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Post 17 Mar 2014, 00:46
Does this mean that kaZantip viZa ticket prices are going to go up now?
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Post 17 Mar 2014, 02:07
How can the RF outright annex Crimea? Even Kosovo wasn't allowed to unite with Albania.
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Post 17 Mar 2014, 02:12
That's due to a small footnote in the UN Charter which states that countries in the Balkans are only allowed to divide.
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Post 17 Mar 2014, 02:31
Then why weren't those Ossetias and Abkhazias incorporated in the RF too?
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Post 17 Mar 2014, 03:49
Most probably because Russia didn't had the strength to go at war when those two territories proclaimed their independance.
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Post 17 Mar 2014, 06:30
Loz wrote:
Then why weren't those Ossetias and Abkhazias incorporated in the RF too?

It would allow Georgia to join NATO as it would no longer have internal territorial conflicts.

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In eastern Ukraine, army units have been prevented from maneuvering by local civilians, who in Volkhovka, Donetsk oblast blocked a convoy of tanks, BTRs and troops, forcing it to turn back. In Luhansk oblast, civilians blocked a train with tanks and other military hardware from unloading, also forcing it to turn back. This tactic has not always been successful, however, as elsewhere in the Donbass (location unidentified) a column of BMPs was able to get through by having soldiers push civilians out of the way by driving a BMP through them.
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Post 17 Mar 2014, 14:41
The incompetent Kyiv government is 100% responsible for losing Crimea. They are by far the worst politicians I've ever heard of. They've been in power for only a few weeks and were already able to scare away a huge part of the country.

They didn't even try to negotiate with the Russians. They just stuck to their nationalistic rhetoric hoping that the west would come save them like the dumb shits that they are.

They should all be hung in public for their stupidity and incompetency.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 18 Apr 2010, 04:44
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Post 17 Mar 2014, 15:16
Yeqon wrote:
They should all be hung in public for their stupidity and incompetency.

That's a bit harsh. The worst that will actually happen is a few at the top get sacked, a few more get demoted, and the rest return to work with a new lapel pin design on their suits. It's funny how so many people expected Ukraine's "leadership" to function like a legitimate governing body when they don't even represent a legitimate nation.
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