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Do you think Mao Zedong was a margarine communist?

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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 11 Dec 2011, 09:04
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Post 28 Oct 2012, 07:13
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 22 Jun 2012, 09:46
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Post 28 Oct 2012, 09:35
i have to dissagre , even if mao's china was wrong in MANY MANY parts , they at least managed to succed in a socialist revollution
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 01 Nov 2003, 13:17
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Post 28 Oct 2012, 14:07
No

That was only Stalin's opinion. I do not know what this 'margarine' term means, maybe it is an expression in Russian. Mao Zedong was making use of the circumstances so that he and his party could survive. In 1927 they were killed by the KMT after the Soviet brokered alliance between the CCP and KMT collapsed. More or less there was no alternative but for them to break with Moscow's orthodoxy. I have heard that Stalin was opposed to the 1917 revolution for the reason that he felt Russia had not developed capitalism enough. Maybe this was also a similar feeling for him on China?
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 13 Feb 2008, 15:25
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Post 28 Oct 2012, 14:37
Mao was a genuine communist and progressive. Stalin realised his mistake in not supporting the CPC in his later years. Mao made some big mistakes and is not undeserving of criticism, but I think he has played a positive role in the grand scheme.
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Post 28 Oct 2012, 15:13
Margarine looks like butter but it isn't real butter.
Whatever the case, Mao certainly did play a positive role in the grand scheme, as FC said, for finishing the democratic revolution in China, eliminating retrogade forces, uniting the country, setting up the foundations for a modern society and so on.

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Stalin realised his mistake in not supporting the CPC in his later years.

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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 22 Oct 2004, 15:15
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Post 29 Oct 2012, 15:26
In that case, I can't believe it's not butter!

I don't know if "Stalin realised his mistake" or not. The plain fact of the matter is that during the war, there was quite a bit of Soviet ambivalence regarding the KMT and CPC. I think the article from the OP shows this. At the same time, the US was worried about the corruption and half-hearted fight against the Japanese by the KMT, and became more favourable to the CPC (google "Dixie Mission"). After 1949, the US officials responsible for this were targeted by McCarthyism for allegedly having "lost China", by the way.

The Soviets did end up supporting the CPC throughout the civil war, and obviously it was the right choice. The matter was settled when they ended up signing the Sino-Soviet Treaty. From what I understand, relations were still quite difficult at times. These were two different countries with their own national interests, after all. They managed to settle quite a few of these differences with the treaty, and they maintained the outside appearance of unity.

That there were all sorts of underlying tensions is only natural, but they didn't really explode until Khrushchev and peaceful coexistence. The problem with PC as developed by Krushchev (as opposed to the general idea of maintaining peace with the rest of the world, which Lenin, Stalin and Mao all supported), besides being considered a "betrayal" on the ideological level, was that it effectively ended the guarantee that both countries would stand together no matter what.

Of course, ever since the Korean War, the US failed to recognise the importance of this, and they were convinced that, regardless of what noises they made towards each other, the USSR and China still formed a monolithic communist conspiracy towards global conquest. This lasted until Nixon went to China.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 10 Aug 2010, 14:21
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Post 30 Oct 2012, 01:34
I think Stalin was right. He said that when he asked the Chinese communists to ally the Kuomintang against the Japanese. But they continued to struggle above all against Chiang Kai-shek. The consequences could have been dangerous.
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Post 30 Oct 2012, 08:30
That wasn't the fault of the CPC but the KMT who constantly tried to backstab the communists.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 04 Aug 2007, 23:25
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Post 04 Jan 2013, 20:18
Mao was a true Marxist-Leninist, and despite his obvious errors I consider him a great and important Communist who has greatly benefitted China and its people. Compare the shitty pseudo-feudal nation China was in 1949 to what mao left behind in 1976.
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