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Should citizens have the right to have guns?

Yes
18
62%
No
5
17%
Other
6
21%
 
Total votes : 29
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 28 Feb 2012, 16:12
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Pioneer
Post 05 Jul 2012, 18:14
The working masses should be armed: How else are they supposed to prevent a counterrevolution? If the masses don't have ultimate control, and that means force, what's going to prevent the degeneration of worker power?

If the working class is to be the ruling class, they gotta be armed. If the authorities are capable of imposing their will over an opposing working class, you ain't got Worker Power at all.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 12 Jun 2011, 15:14
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Pioneer
Post 05 Jul 2012, 19:00
If you're refering to a people's militia, then yes. However if assault weapons are readily available to indivisual persons, then I feel that a situation similar to that of the Weimar Republic might develope. During this politicly unstable period of German history, rival political paramilitaries fought armed battles in the streets. The German National People's Party had the Stahlhelm, the National Socialists had the S.A., the Social Democrats had the Iron Front, and last, but not least, the Communists had the Red Front. And even in the recent history of my own country there is the militia movement. So I think that in the interests of social stability, and unity, firepower must be tightly controled.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 24 Jun 2011, 08:37
Party Bureaucrat
Post 06 Jul 2012, 15:02
Im going to subvert an old Commodore slogan and say "guns for the classes, not for the masses"

organized militias centered around work places etc.

Heck, send some rifles to the occupy kids. At least the cops will think twice before gassing them as casually
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 11 Nov 2004, 02:08
Embalmed
Post 06 Jul 2012, 20:01
Rifles and pistols for those who take the right routes to obtain them.
Carry and conceal for those who qualify for them and have sound minds.

The police can't always save you, the revolution isnt always revolutionary.
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Heck, send some rifles to the occupy kids. At least the cops will think twice before gassing them as casually

Yeah like *ANY* of those idiots could use a gun properly. It would give the cops reason to roll in, which I would gladly welcome.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 15 Nov 2010, 16:48
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Post 07 Jul 2012, 05:44
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Post 07 Jul 2012, 06:03
Red Armenian wrote:
Anti-Gun is reactionary
Yeah... arming our enemies (because Americans like playing with guns) is the smart move.
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Post 07 Jul 2012, 07:01
There is a big difference between giving the workers access to weapons and provide them with training and use them as a back-up repressive state apparatus in emergencies, and allowing everyone to own weapons that are specifically designed for killing people and have no useful purpose in daily life.

My attitude is, bolt actioned rifles and twin barrel shotguns for sports and hunting, nothing more. Then weapon storage and periodic military training based around work places and/or districts.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 13 Feb 2008, 15:25
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Politburo
Post 07 Jul 2012, 07:55
James Kennedy wrote:
There is a big difference between giving the workers access to weapons and provide them with training and use them as a back-up repressive state apparatus in emergencies, and allowing everyone to own weapons that are specifically designed for killing people and have no useful purpose in daily life.

My attitude is, bolt actioned rifles and twin barrel shotguns for sports and hunting, nothing more. Then weapon storage and periodic military training based around work places and/or districts.


I'm with Roy on this one. I don't want to keep weapons completely out of people's hands, but I don't like the idea of unrestricted access either. All it really does is raise the likelihood of killing a friend or family member in a domestic dispute. Not to mention mass shootings.

Australia's gun buyback scheme has doubled the rate at which murders by gunshot have decreased and also contributed to an overall decrease in the rate of homicides.

http://sydney.edu.au/medicine/news/news/2006/Dec/061214.php
http://www.aic.gov.au/statistics/homicide.aspx
http://www.aic.gov.au/documents/0/B/6/%7B0B619F44-B18B-47B4-9B59-F87BA643CBAA%7Dfacts11.pdf
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 11 Nov 2004, 02:08
Embalmed
Post 07 Jul 2012, 08:57
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All it really does is raise the likelihood of killing a friend or family member in a domestic dispute. Not to mention mass shootings.

Most guns used in sprees are legally acquired, registered, and have paperwork in order. There is no way to counteract the 'wildcards' of society and what they might do if given the means. Chicago is super tough on guns, 4th of July they had 21 wounded by gunfire and 5 dead, not including reported incidents of general gun-use where no one was harmed. At the same time, just north of the border most of our crimes involving firearms are illegal and smuggled from the USA.

Regulation of firearms is something that needs to be carefully thought over and cannot remain the same across any significant swath of land. If your cops cannot protect you, you SHOULD have the right to carry firearms open or concealed so long as you are taught to use them properly as well as gone through the right mental testing. The anti-gun lobby in Canada centred around the Polytechnique shooting in Montreal as a means to force long-barrel gun owners to register their firearms to a central database. Before this whole thing was canned(at a cost of a few billion dollars to taxpayers) It returned a handful of stolen guns to owners(which would have been done anyway), prevented 0 crimes and deaths, and was used by cops to see if households were 'carrying' forcing them to use needless caution against homeowners who might just happen to own a .22 hunting rifle.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 07 Oct 2009, 20:08
Resident Artist
Post 07 Jul 2012, 14:58
I think so. It's guns not laws that truly determine as a piece of paper won't save you during a dire situation but a gun will. If some steals from you or bullies you, you should the right to administer harsh justice on the delinquent and bypass the courts. People should form battalions to wipe out people with undesirable views such as fascism or a general blight on the community.
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