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Do you support the North Korean government?



Total votes : 33
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 28 May 2012, 05:16
Post 01 Jun 2012, 04:24
OP-Bagration wrote:
You should know that North-Koreans don't have dresses. And moreover, communists eat children, especially when they are starving. So these pictures are fakes.

That's the problem; how can one tell the difference between a picture that has been tampered with (fake), and a genuine image? These days it is all too easy to alter images, or conjure them out of thin air. If these pictures are real, then regardless of what other virtues the regime in North Korea may have, those virtues are completely nullified in my view, and my 'McDonalds' joke was in poor taste.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 11 Dec 2011, 09:04
Post 01 Jun 2012, 12:22
OP-Bagration wrote:
Right, but UNDP's statistics would be more accurate. In 1995, half of South Korea's population had the same standard of living as the average North Korean citizen.

The famine of North Norea started in 1994 and gotten worse in 1995.
At that time about one thirds of north koreans didn't have enough food.
But South korea in 1995 even though they had a high gap of the rich and poor but
there were no food shortages. And right now,it has gotten much better than the mid 90s
but the economy still didn't recover the level of the 80s and there is still food shortages.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 10 Aug 2010, 14:21
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Post 01 Jun 2012, 12:47
You just take into account western propaganda, and you think this is a point against North Korea? They may be famine, however North Korea's government isn't stupid, they are not starving the population deliberately. The famine is one more reason to support North Korea.

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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 14 Jul 2008, 20:01
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Post 01 Jun 2012, 16:51
Pictures are worth more than words.

I'm about as thin as these kids. I'm not starving.
"Don't know why i'm still surprised with this shit anyway." - Loz
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 17 Oct 2009, 09:10
Ideology: Marxism-Leninism
Post 01 Jun 2012, 18:02
Pictures are worth more than words.

Also, if I post some fat north Koreans will it prove that everything in there is fine (except of obesity of course) regarding supply of food?
Mankind is divided into rich and poor, into property owners and exploited; and to abstract oneself from this fundamental division; and from the antagonism between poor and rich means abstracting oneself from fundamental facts.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 07 Oct 2004, 22:04
Ideology: Marxism-Leninism
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Post 01 Jun 2012, 18:07
Mabool, I don't know if you are joking or not, but either way it's fragged up that you would say that.


As to whether these photos were edited or taken out of context, it doesn't matter, because North Korea unquestionably did suffer a famine in the mid-1990s, but as OP-Bagration alluded to, it was the result of natural and geopolitical disasters out of the government's ability to control, rather than a deliberate policy or the result of negligence on the state's part. It is kind of sick how the caption in the photo montage has to take a cheap political pot-shot at socialism. It really shows how much certain people really care about starving North Koreans as opposed to making a political point. Anyway, as most will admit, well into the 1980s North Koreans living standards were better than those in the south, and even with a much smaller amount of fertile land, the government was able to feed its people better thanks to mechanization of agriculture (even sending food aid to the south on occasion). Obviously this was a mistake, given the impending collapse of Eastern Bloc trade and Soviet subsidies, but like the mistakes of so many other socialist personalities, movements and countries around the world at the time, it's difficult to pass judgement when so few could predict or even imagine that a counterrevolutionary could and would destroy the world's main bastion of socialism from within in such a short period of time.

My view on the contemporary DPRK government matches OP-Bagration's characterization of the hippopotamus and the bird. My answer to the question is Yes.
"The thing about capitalism is that it sounds awful on paper and is horrendous in practice. Communism sounds wonderful on paper and when it was put into practice it was done pretty well for what they had to work with." -MiG
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 11 Dec 2011, 09:04
Post 02 Jun 2012, 02:45
soviet78 wrote:
well into the 1980s North Koreans living standards were better

If the North Koreans were richer than the South.
It means that North koreans were just a little poorer than the soviet union.
in south korea in 1980. 34 percent of the famliys had a refrigerator.
and 85 percent had a television(99% of them were black and white)
in the north only 27% had a television(about 2/3 were black and white)
and the refridgerator must be less than 10%
same time in the soviet union 94% had a television and 84% had a refrigerator.
And in the 70s to the 80s large numbers of north korean lumberjacks were detached to soviet union.
Some of them escaped to the soviet union. If the living standards of the North Korea was just a little lower than the USSR,
this couldn't happen.
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