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Worst socialist leader

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You can choose 2 options

Stalin
3
7%
Yeltsin(President of the RSFSR)
6
13%
Kim il Sung
1
2%
Kim Jong Il
4
9%
Chausescu
6
13%
Gorbachev
7
16%
Hoxha
0
No votes
Pol Pot
14
31%
Deng Xiaoping
0
No votes
other
4
9%
 
Total votes : 45
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 11 Dec 2011, 09:04
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Post 31 Mar 2012, 14:42
for me
1st:Kim Jong il
2nd:Pol Pot
3rd:Yeltsin
4rd:gorbachev
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 28 Feb 2012, 16:12
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Post 31 Mar 2012, 15:33
Captain of the League Of Suck: Pol Pot.
Honorary mentions to Kim Jong Il, Ceaucescu and the class enemy Yeltsin (who shouldn't be on the list to begin with, 'cause he didn't even pretend to be socialist).
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 09 Mar 2012, 02:37
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Post 31 Mar 2012, 18:40
I would like to know why the most successful socialist leader in history is mentioned as one of the options for the worst socialist leader. I don't wanna be here and tell what you should do or not but i think is a matter of common sense. It´s like asking who was the worst basketball player of all time and mention Michael Jordan as one of the options.

As far as the others are concerned, it's a very hard choice since they were all horrible leaders and i don't even consider socialist some of them like Pol Pot. For the magnitude of the consequences of his weak leadership i would say Gorbachev.
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Post 31 Mar 2012, 18:41
Ceausescu hands-down. What a loser.
EDIT: Grammar
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Post 31 Mar 2012, 20:13
lol hands-down loz. And I agree Ceausescu was the worst.

As for the poll Yeltsin was an outright liberal, also why isn't Turkmenbashi on this list? He's easily one of the worst. Also Pol Pot only counts if we count everyone who called themselves a socialist.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 10 Aug 2010, 14:21
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Post 31 Mar 2012, 21:23
Ok, Pol Pot was a bastard. He killed a lot of people. But he never took part in a commercial for Pizza Hut and Louis Vuitton. I voted for Gorby.
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Post 31 Mar 2012, 21:57
Ha well put comrade.
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Post 01 Apr 2012, 04:04
Loz wrote:
Ceausescu hands-down. What a loser.
EDIT: Grammar


Sorry,because english is not my major language
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Post 01 Apr 2012, 16:59
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Sorry,because english is not my major language

It was me who wrote "hands-on", instead of "hands-down".
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 21 Dec 2004, 23:53
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Post 01 Apr 2012, 22:08
Other: Obama
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Post 02 Apr 2012, 02:46
OP-Bagration wrote:
Ok, Pol Pot was a bastard. He killed a lot of people. But he never took part in a commercial for Pizza Hut and Louis Vuitton. I voted for Gorby.
Obviously mass-murder is a minor error compared to participating in an advertisement.


I feel like voting for Stalin just to piss you off now, but I'll go with Pol Pot.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 14 Jan 2010, 05:46
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Post 02 Apr 2012, 03:19
Dagoth Ur wrote:
also why isn't Turkmenbashi on this list? He's easily one of the worst.

How is Turkmenbashi a socialist?
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Post 02 Apr 2012, 03:46
He was more of a socialist than Pol Pot.
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Post 02 Apr 2012, 09:05
I wanna change my vote now actually: Hitler

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(He did the one unforgivable thing... advertisements for Coca-Cola)
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Post 02 Apr 2012, 10:53
OP-Bagration wrote:
Ok, Pol Pot was a bastard. He killed a lot of people. But he never took part in a commercial for Pizza Hut and Louis Vuitton. I voted for Gorby.


Some might think that gratuitous mass murder is somewhat worse than just being pathetic... Maybe it's just me, though.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 04 Aug 2004, 20:49
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Post 02 Apr 2012, 11:11
Trotsky.
The 4th Intl. achieved nothing at all, other than wavering between loving peasants in the '60s when a question his followers had never asked at all was asked - "what of oppressed colonials?" - and acting as though self-determination was Trotsky's idea (even though they were pretty late to act on the idea and it had already emerged in the C19th with the decay of Central and Eastern European empires), and is only good if it leads to communism immediately, even though in the 20s and 30s the goatee kept saying they were the most reactionary grouping on the face of the Earth, and then later his followers being so utterly risible in trying to build a movement from students alone.
His tutelage lead to this ridiculous formation which comprises almost entirely of a mass of talking shops that somehow seem to still be unbelievably popular amongst left wingers in the Anglophone world.
I can see no good from his leadership other than a plethora of missed chances and no grasp of political realities.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 15 Jul 2009, 21:32
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Post 03 Apr 2012, 19:55
Voted Yeltsin, interesting to see no one voted for Deng Xiaoping.
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Post 03 Apr 2012, 20:05
newsovietunion wrote:
Voted Yeltsin, interesting to see no one voted for Deng Xiaoping.


More interesting than that is to see that someone voted for Stalin.
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Post 04 Apr 2012, 03:07
KlassWar wrote:
Some might think that gratuitous mass murder is somewhat worse than just being pathetic... Maybe it's just me, though.


I voted Pol Pot and Yeltsin, though I suppose my second choice should have been Gorbachev, given that he started the process. Also, Gorbachev's actions have led directly and indirectly to more deaths than killed by Pol Pot. Think of the number of lives physically destroyed by poverty, drugs, alcoholism, banditry, prostitution and local civil wars across the former USSR. Now add to that imperialist conflicts like Yugoslavia, Iraq, Afghanistan, and Libya. Then add all those people starving to death, dying of preventable diseases, or being murdered by dictators whose political opponents had no superpower to support their righteous fight. Gorbachev indirectly caused the deaths of millions of people, and harmed hundreds of millions if not billions more in other ways by destroying and discrediting socialism as a global force for decades. I can understand OP-Bagration's consternation, given that Gorbachev, who must know these facts, decided to live out the rest of his life being a hero in the West, staring in commercials and celebrating his birthdays there instead of staying in Russia committing suicide.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 11 Nov 2009, 07:13
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Post 05 Apr 2012, 17:11
Not enough voting options. Depends on what you mean by "worse," Pol Pot and Ceaușescu were an obvious menace. Yeltsin wasn't a socialist and didn't claim to be. Gorby eliminated socialism, thus wasn't a socialist. Deng abandoned China's Maoist path and instituted "market reforms," thus wasn't a socialist, but a capitalist roader.
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