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Car ownership under Socialism

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What is the future of private cars?

Car ownership will, and should, increase in socialism
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31%
Car ownership will, but shouldn't, increase in socialism
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Car ownership will, and should, decrease in socialism
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Car ownership will, but shouldn't, decrease in socialism
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6%
 
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 10 Sep 2006, 22:05
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Post 19 Mar 2012, 17:45
I like the idea of recreational tracks and clubs for car driving (especially the idea of collective collecting). It could easily resolve the car cultures that exists in parts of the world without pissing them off.
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Post 20 Mar 2012, 02:03
Once public transport is actually done properly much of the need for private vehicles will greatly diminish.

Some sort of fleet of recreational vehicles (for holidays and so on) could be developed and as for emergencies (like a sick child in the middle of the night) I don't see why a proper ambulance or taxi service couldn't suffice.
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Post 28 Mar 2012, 20:45
Out of curiosity how would the State afford these extensive public transport links, how much would buses and trains cost and in an urban area like London for example you would need a massive fleet of buses to run around the clock to cater for all times day and night?
Sometimes if you live in the countryside, like I do, personal transport can be a necessity to get from A to B. You can only have so many buses running on so many given routes. The cost of this would be massive.
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Post 28 Mar 2012, 21:06
The Mighty O wrote:
Out of curiosity how would the State afford these extensive public transport links, how much would buses and trains cost and in an urban area like London for example you would need a massive fleet of buses to run around the clock to cater for all times day and night?
Sometimes if you live in the countryside, like I do, personal transport can be a necessity to get from A to B. You can only have so many buses running on so many given routes. The cost of this would be massive.


I think that remote areas could be somewhat of an exception, with calculations of cost and convenience determining whether the rural area can be integrated into the mass transit system. Also, obviously work vehicles for things like agricultural work wouldn't diminish in quantity, given the need for timeliness. With regard to the costs of round the clock urban transport, the costs would have huge economic, social and environmental benefits mentioned above that would make them worthwhile. Also, given that there are less cars on the roads, buses could use much already existing infrastructure and generally avoid creating too much new congestion. Also, massive new infrastructure projects along with orders for buses, train cars and corresponding service vehicles, and the need for an a significant increase in the number of drivers and service people would provide people with jobs and income. Jobs were guaranteed in the USSR and most other socialist countries, but this was facilitated by the constant shortages of workers in almost every field. A new transport policy and infrastructure would create this need in whatever country adopts socialism, thus giving virtually everyone worthwhile, stable, and socially useful jobs.
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Post 28 Mar 2012, 22:00
They're all great points but would you hand on heart use your car less for public transport, if i had one i wouldn't. This would be a difficult battle from the ease and mobility of cars to the strict routes of Public Transport. Also how much would tickets like this cost? Here in the UK a 1 mile bus journey can be £1.30 but a 6 mile train journey is 95p. My Gran says how under socialist governments in the 70's you could catch a train from Leeds to London for £20-£40 now it costs £200-£250. Would they be subsidised or would they have low fees to encourage usage? No doubt it would have positive social aspects but the initial investment would be large.
Last edited by The Mighty O on 29 Mar 2012, 19:42, edited 1 time in total.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 10 Sep 2006, 22:05
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Post 28 Mar 2012, 22:52
Uh they'd probably be largely free. At the very least you'd just buy a pass or something.
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Post 29 Mar 2012, 00:18
I imagine there'd be a nominal ticket fee to help cover cost of repairs and maintenance.
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Post 29 Mar 2012, 00:59
Taxes bro. Tickets are an artifact of the past for socialism.
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Post 29 Mar 2012, 01:37
Dagoth Ur wrote:
Taxes bro. Tickets are an artifact of the past for socialism.


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