Is "Targetted Killing" acceptible?

OP-Bagration wrote:

Jason, why do you have a symbol of social-democrat reformism as your avatar? I'm deeply worried and it bothers me.

1. First of all it would depend upon how one would define both social democracy, and reformism. I advocate for more than just simply welfare state capitalism. And I support the ideas of economic democracy . But I also believe in addressing the immediate issues of the progressive movement , and in taking part in the day to day struggles of the working people. This is the position of the Democratic Socialists of America. I'm not against Communism, in principle. It's just that here in America we do not have a viable Communist Party, like various European countries have. Instead the Communist Party U.S.A. just gives strategic support to Democratic candidates. As for me, I vote not only for progressive Democrats, but also Greens , and even Socialists. 2. With all due respect, my political views are no one elses business. I'm not a part of your party, and therefore I'm not subject to party discipline. I'm entitled to my own opinions. And for the record, if you'd look at my profile here, it says for my ideology "democratic socialism" , not social democrat. Though on my Facebook page, it says social democrat, as most Americans don't know what socialism is really about, and might have a negative view of it. Plus, I consider socialism to be an economic position, rather than a political one. So as long as it isn't taken to preclude economic democracy, I consider social democracy to be essentially the same thing as democratic socialism. Anyway, this is what I deem to be the realistic position for an American comrade to take, under the circumstances.

Maybe you ignore it, but the logo you are using was created for the French socialist party, which was created in 1920 against the French communist party. So your political views are my business because you are on a communist board. When Lenin created the Third International, he asked the former socialist parties to transform into "communist" parties, and you are not part of this tradition. The people you are defending are our political enemies. They had us jailed in 1940, they organized the privatizations in the 1980's, and supported colonialism in the 1950's. You should be ashamed.

Chill, dude. People holding other political positions have always been accepted in the board.

I believe dominant ideology has enough spaces on the internet. I'm tired enough to see them everyday on TV, I don't understand why you would like to torture me in this haven of peace. But I didn't said he should not be there. He chose to use this avatar on the battlefield, I attack. Should I shut up like a coward?

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While many of the members might be Commies, this isn't a 1930's Stalinist forum.

How ridiculous to say that on a forum where the members have no power.

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I don't quite follow ... is it "ridiculous" because it's true, or because it's untrue?

I meant that it is a fact that the members of this forum don't have any right to elect the members of the administration. If you want to criticize, you must do it in private. Isn't it stalinist? And you say that this forum isn't stalinist? There is a contradiction.

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Not at all ... just try to keep the personal attacks to a minimum.
You sound like Andrey Vyshinsky at times.

I attacked the symbol, not the man.

On the contrary. You attacked the man, and derailed the thread onto two different subjects. I think it's bad manners. I think you should start a new thread if you want to discuss the so-called "socialist" parties, and avoid making it personal

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Most forums (political or otherwise) that I've seen run on a sort of "democratic centralism".
If you know of many fully democratic ones I'd be surprised.

I know some. This is a choice to do. What do they fear? Anyway, I was just pointing a fact. This forum is stalinist in the way it works, much more than I am because I didn't excluded anyone. So if you were consistent with yourself, you would not say what you said.

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From what I've gathered, the owner of this site isn't a Stalinist - I don't even think he's a Communist actually. From what I gathered he's basically a bit of a military and history buff.

Maybe, but I'm against private property.

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On the contrary. You attacked the man, and derailed the thread onto two different subjects.

I attacked his ideas. This is called politics. What do you fear?

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I think it's bad manners.

His Higness unroll the red carpet for his enemies?

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I think you should start a new thread if you want to discuss the so-called "socialist" parties, and avoid making it personal

I don't want to discuss the socialist parties, I want to discuss this avatar and know why there is one on this forum. I guess I'm discussing to real people, am I not?

"My enemies"? This is a political discussion forum. I might agree or not with the people who post here, depending on the subject, but they are not "my enemies". And you're nobody to start reprehending other people here, much less for their choice of avatar, ideology, or whatnot.

I would like to ask on behalf of the moderation that this topic remains on it's subject matter. Not only is this something that can be highly contested as well as controversial in nature, but as something that could be debated in great nature.

I voted no. I find the practice personally dispicable, so I cannot support it. Then again, I am probably wrong.

proletarian wrote:

In a socialist country actively pursuing communism, yes I support targeted killings in the name of socialism and communism.

However, I do not support the targeted killing of individuals by capitalist states.

So it's ok for a communist country to kill a man who has killed people but not ok for a capitalist country to kill a man who has killed people. Please id like for you to explain how that works.

It's all about class dictatorship. The capitalists kill for bourgeoisie interests, we kill for proletarian ones. We also decry their ownership of the means of production and the state but seek to exclude all non-proletarians from the same kind of control. Easy, peasy, Japanesy.

Dagoth Ur wrote:

It's all about class dictatorship. The capitalists kill for bourgeoisie interests, we kill for proletarian ones. We also decry their ownership of the means of production and the state but seek to exclude all non-proletarians from the same kind of control. Easy, peasy, Japanesy.

Oh ok so killing a murderer is evil and wrong because it is bourgeoisie interests but killing a murderer is great and ok when it is proletarian interests. Yea sorry I just see killing a murderer as killing a murderer. Know say it came to killing a sick child out of fear of him its just wrong no matter who does it white black rich or poor

Well no when it effects everyone's interests (as in the case of murderers) there is no need to decry their actions. Targeted killing is inherently political in a way murder is not.

Dagoth Ur wrote:

Well no when it effects everyone's interests (as in the case of murderers) there is no need to decry their actions. Targeted killing is inherently political in a way murder is not.

Oh ok yea Il just go with lets make a society where killing for political reasons doesn't really happen Like America. If you want a society where you purge people of different political views have fun trying to get people on board.