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Should we recycle corpses?

Yes
23
61%
No
8
21%
Other
7
18%
 
Total votes : 38
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 18 Apr 2010, 04:44
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Embalmed
Post 07 Aug 2011, 07:05
Fitzy wrote:
Recycled? How about turning them into bio-robota and then putting them to work in the fields? We can empty their skulls and replace their brains with computers. No harm done.

Err, someone has beaten you to this idea, somewhat.
H.P. Lovecraft in "The Mound wrote:
The fate of T’la-yub was less happy. There being no object in retaining her, and her ancient Tsathic lineage giving her act a greater aspect of treason than Zamacona’s had possessed, she was ordered to be delivered to the curious diversions of the amphitheatre; and afterward, in a somewhat mutilated and half-dematerialised form, to be given the functions of a y’m-bhi or animated corpse-slave and stationed among the sentries guarding the passage whose existence she had betrayed. Zamacona soon heard, not without many pangs of regret he could scarcely have anticipated, that poor T’la-yub had emerged from the arena in a headless and otherwise incomplete state, and had been set as an outermost guard upon the mound in which the passage had been found to terminate. She was, he was told, a night-sentinel, whose automatic duty was to warn off all comers with a torch; sending down reports to a small garrison of twelve dead slave y’m-bhi and six living but partly dematerialised freemen in the vaulted, circular chamber if the approachers did not heed her warning. She worked, he was told, in conjunction with a day-sentinel—a living freeman who chose this post in preference to other forms of discipline for other offences against the state. Zamacona, of course, had long known that most of the chief gate-sentries were such discredited freemen.
It was now made plain to him, though indirectly, that his own penalty for another escape-attempt would be service as a gate-sentry—but in the form of a dead-alive y’m-bhi slave, and after amphitheatre-treatment even more picturesque than that which T’la-yub was reported to have undergone. It was intimated that he—or parts of him—would be reanimated to guard some inner section of the passage; within sight of others, where his abridged person might serve as a permanent symbol of the rewards of treason. But, his informants always added, it was of course inconceivable that he would ever court such a fate. So long as he remained peaceably in K’n-yan, he would continue to be a free, privileged, and respected personage
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 05 Dec 2010, 16:17
Komsomol
Post 12 Aug 2011, 10:44
I was thinking of making a poll on necrophilia and whether it's wrong or ok if the person is already dead, but thought that'd be a bit much


But, now I'm going take advantage of this thread and bring up the topic.

Necrophilia, cannibalism, recycled corpses. Part of me says "It's fine, they're already dead"! Yet, I'll admit I don't like the thought of my family's bodies being eaten, minced or fucкed.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 04 Aug 2004, 20:49
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Post 12 Aug 2011, 20:54
I must inform you that in the UK cannibalism per se isn't illegal, it is just the legal problem of the procurement of the flesh that is the problem - so I would probably advise not talking about it in that way, it's difficult to really know what to say when it comes up. I'll admit morbid curiosity plays some part in my mind whenever it comes up - but again, it's just as I will say below.
I guess you should really read the rest of the thread again, considering that a lot of us have actually conceded we all have an unfathomable, irrational connection with the deceased, and then conclude that necrophilia is just completely bad. I mean, it's completely non consensual by definition - the dead have legal rights too, and good.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 08 Aug 2011, 17:41
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Post 12 Aug 2011, 21:22
Erichs_Pastry_Chef wrote:
the dead have legal rights too, and good.


could you please expand on this?
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 04 Aug 2004, 20:49
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Post 12 Aug 2011, 21:38
Did you read the thread?
You require consent to take organs from a dead person, otherwise it is illegal.
You are not allowed to have sex with a dead person.
These acts qualify as a breach of the legal status a corpse has - and as the civil party is no longer able to represent themselves, it must therefore become a criminal act, in the case of the UK the Crown takes up prosecution a la any other criminal case.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 08 Aug 2011, 17:41
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Post 13 Aug 2011, 18:53
Erichs_Pastry_Chef wrote:
Did you read the thread?
You require consent to take organs from a dead person, otherwise it is illegal.
You are not allowed to have sex with a dead person.
These acts qualify as a breach of the legal status a corpse has - and as the civil party is no longer able to represent themselves, it must therefore become a criminal act, in the case of the UK the Crown takes up prosecution a la any other criminal case.


i don't know that that's so. surely the prohibitions exist because of our distaste for the behavior, not because of any right the corpse retains. you couldn't have sex with a corpse even if given their consent, could you?
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 04 Aug 2004, 20:49
Embalmed
Post 13 Aug 2011, 19:14
Could you perhaps ask something a bit more substantive? I feel as though you're a bot, prove you aren't.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 08 Aug 2011, 17:41
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Post 13 Aug 2011, 19:30
a bot wouldn't get upset if you dodged their, i think very relevant, question about sex with dead bodies. and i am, upset and very insulted, so i must not be a bot. answer the question, sir: if, as you conceive, a corpse retains rights to their person, but is able to transfer ownership of specific organs by pre-arranged agreement, what's to stop them agreeing that another party has permission to copulate with them?
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 11 Nov 2009, 07:13
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Post 13 Aug 2011, 19:34
Clupea wrote:
if, as you conceive, a corpse retains rights to their person, but is able to transfer ownership of specific organs by pre-arranged agreement, what's to stop them agreeing that another party has permission to copulate with them?

The conditionality of the situation. Because a woman who agrees to have sex with a man at one point in time, can refuse at another, and since consent cannot be given in conditional circumstances for a corpse, the "conditional consent" must be presented without the benefit of the doubt.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 09 May 2008, 14:59
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Post 13 Aug 2011, 19:35
Clupea wrote:
a bot wouldn't get upset if you dodged their, i think very relevant, question about sex with dead bodies. and i am, upset and very insulted, so i must not be a bot. answer the question, sir: if, as you conceive, a corpse retains rights to their person, but is able to transfer ownership of specific organs by pre-arranged agreement, what's to stop them agreeing that another party has permission to copulate with them?


You're confusing legal rights with natural rights. Erichs said that the dead have legal rights, meaning that necrophilia is non-consensual sex under the law. Never did he say that the dead have the right not to be had sex with or something like that. Further than that, only he can tell you.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 08 Aug 2011, 17:41
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Post 13 Aug 2011, 20:00
proletarian wrote:
The conditionality of the situation. Because a woman who agrees to have sex with a man at one point in time, can refuse at another, and since consent cannot be given in conditional circumstances for a corpse, the "conditional consent" must be presented without the benefit of the doubt.


i like that. that's good. i concede the point.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 04 Aug 2004, 20:49
Embalmed
Post 13 Aug 2011, 20:47
Thank you Clupea! I stand by my comment in your introductory thread and apologise wholeheartedly for any insult caused. In hindsight it looks like trolling in order to get a better answer from you.
My point still stands, at least within British common law about the Crown being in lieu of any litigation re: a dead person. This is a fact, as much as it was a fact when I initially said it.
I'm sorry again, but I at least thought there'd be some understanding about the myriad of legal systems. Are you suggesting we talk normatively or ethically on the grounds we have?
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 08 Aug 2011, 17:41
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Post 14 Aug 2011, 02:21
i'm not at all familiar with American law, let alone the English brand. i think i'll just respectfully thank you all for settling my confusion, bow out of this conversation because it's above my head, and go do some reading (and/or just get off my head. happy weekend ya'll!)
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 13 Aug 2011, 23:52
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Post 14 Aug 2011, 02:27
Yes, I believe as soon as you're dead your body should revert to the state. That way you can still serve human beings after death.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 30 Mar 2010, 01:20
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Post 14 Aug 2011, 06:48
Under Socialism certainly Yes, but I'm not particularly cool with some private organisation using my organs ..etc to develop drugs and treatments that they are going to profit from. The same goes for organ transplants - my organs being used to extend the life of an individual who may be diametrically opposed to my ideals and goals.

It's interesting how the wealthy don't seem to have such troubles waiting in queues for donor organs.

So other I suppose (under current arrangements).
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 04 Aug 2004, 20:49
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Post 14 Aug 2011, 10:44
Well, in that case it isn't necedssarily using the donated organ of someone who just died - but a purchased organ from a donor who's still clucking around with a new gizmo. Remember the Chinese boy who sold a kidney for an I-fad?
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 19 Sep 2005, 13:48
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Post 08 Nov 2011, 18:41
I don't know how many of you have heard, but Wales is considering implementing a new law in 2015, which will presume a dead person has given their consent to their organs being used for donation.

"Families would have no legal right to stop dead relatives organs being used for transplant if the person has not opted out in advance.

However, Health Minister Lesley Griffiths said she could not see a situation where doctors took organs without the permission of families."

If someone close to me died and I found out their organs had been removed this way, I think it'd make me feel even worse.

If such a law was ever implemented in England, the first thing I would do is opt out. This isn't how I would like to become an organ donor.
Now what is this…
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 24 Oct 2011, 08:59
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Post 08 Nov 2011, 19:30
I voted other. For me personally, I want to be dressed in my military uniform and burned in a funeral pyre. The documentation about my awards and medals should be preserved so my descendants can display those awards in my honor.

As for my organs, I came to this world with them, and I intend to leave with them. I don't want to be the person at fault for giving someone an illness that was carried by one of my organs.

Call me crazy, but it is just how I feel. I am currently in exceptional health, but I know my liver is damaged, possibly my kidneys in some way, and my lungs have tar in them from me smoking a bit. My heart and arteries probably have the developing stages of plaque due to the diet I was raised on.

So, I feel that the biggest contribution my body could provide, is to be burned into dust to feed the plants.

...But that's just me.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 04 Aug 2004, 20:49
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Post 08 Nov 2011, 19:49
They screen organs for defects before they possibly use them for transplantation, i'm also sure they won't give a smoker's lungs to a child or someone who doesn't smoke at all.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 12 Jun 2006, 02:14
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Post 08 Nov 2011, 19:52
Szabo, that's the way donation is made here. I think it's great. If you want to opt out, do it. But there are so many people that just don't care and let their organs waste when they die, just because they didn't opt in.

Markius, don't worry about your organs. Doctors will decide if they're good enough for transplant or not.

Organ donation saves lives. It's pretty simple. Once you're dead, you don't use them anymore.
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