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Should dead people be recycled?

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Should we recycle corpses?

Yes
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No
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Other
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 14 Jul 2008, 20:01
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Post 13 Jul 2011, 20:09
I've noticed that it's incredibly inefficient and stupid to bury our dead whole. People die because their organs fail and they'd need a transplantation but can't find donor organs. frag this shit. I propose that every deceased person be emptied and their organs distributed to people who need them. With younger people/babies, I'm sure we could use their limbs as well, for people who have had accidents or were born with only one arm or only four fingers or stuff like that. The only people who should be exempt from this are old people because their limbs are ugly and nobody would want them.

The only counter-argument I can think of is "but they wouldn't want that" - tough shit, who cares? They're dead.

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Post 13 Jul 2011, 20:22
Yes,dead people should be processed in big grinders and used as fertilizers/ animal's food in Kolkhozes.
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Post 13 Jul 2011, 20:27
i think i love my loved ones enough to not shove them down a grinder and feed pigs with them.
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Post 13 Jul 2011, 20:28
That's petty-bourgeois individualism my dear Moris.
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Post 13 Jul 2011, 20:30
people respected their dead long before bourgeoise was invented. how about we open tombs of our partisan heroes or better, srebrenica mass graveyard and feed them to pigs? people would love that.
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Post 13 Jul 2011, 20:40
Respecting your dead has nothing to do with respecting a decomposing body, especially if other people's lives are at stake.
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Post 13 Jul 2011, 20:47
well if you are stuck on a boat in the middle of pacific ocean cannibalism is the only way to go i suppose. but seriously, dont we have shit like fertilisers and genetically modified food to prevent starvation? with science we can prevent any natural disaster or at least limit the damage. it's not like we're stuck in medieval era, we have more than enough food, spaceships and lasers. we're not a polynesian cannibal tribe, seriously.
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Post 13 Jul 2011, 20:57
lol don't get stuck on the "turning people into pig food" thing which is of course disgusting. I seriously only talked about giving body parts to people who need them - which is highly realistic and desirable, even nowadays. I would never advocate using people as fertilizers.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 10 Sep 2006, 22:05
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Post 13 Jul 2011, 21:17
We're turning them into fertilizer by burying them.

Silly Booly wrote:
The only counter-argument I can think of is "but they wouldn't want that" - tough shit, who cares? They're dead.


Also unless the person wants their body to be ground up into whatever, or displayed as state effigies, their wishes regarding their body should be respected. Betraying the trust of a dead comrade is disgusting despite the fact that it really has no effect on that person.

Loz wrote:
That's petty-bourgeois individualism my dear Moris.

It's the caskets and suits that are petty-bourgeois individualism.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 04 Aug 2004, 20:49
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Post 13 Jul 2011, 21:39
Soylent Green ist Menschenfleisch!
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Post 13 Jul 2011, 22:07
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I seriously only talked about giving body parts to people who need them - which is highly realistic and desirable, even nowadays. I would never advocate using people as fertilizers.

What, does your country not have what you want done with your body on your ID card?
IE Class A) ALL salvagable parts
B) SOME
C) NONE.

I'm classified in 'B' because I dont want my skin, eyes, and a few other parts going to people who need it/science.

Sue me, im greedy.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 30 Aug 2008, 18:12
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Post 13 Jul 2011, 22:30
Voted a tentative yes. If people keep being buried we take up more and more land. Organ donors are in short supply because people won't register. The trouble is, I'm not sure if organs of people who die of old age are particularly useful. You could also end up with the lungs of a smoker or the liver of someone who liked to drink for 70+ years. Organs would thus become like any other commodity as people would scramble to get the best quality ones.

I think this idea of respecting the dead is straying into metaphysics. When we respect war dead etc, the act of remembrance is less about them being dead, but about the act of them dying as a result of policies. E.g. with the holocaust I would say people are less concerned with the fact that people are dead and more concerned with the way in which people died and the reasons used to justify it. As time goes on this feeling will only intensify as we get to the stage whereby holocaust victims would have died naturally of old age had they not been killed by the Nazis.

This is why we have memorials to the holocaust and to war but no memorials to victims of lung cancer or heart disease. The latter are seen as a far more "natural" way of dying than a war victim. The fact that both victims are just as dead as each other is forgotten as it is irrelevant.

If you respect a person its for their actions which they can only do when they are alive. A dead body on its own deserves no respect. This idea that dead people should have rights is a bit stupid since you are giving rights to inanimate objects. It would be like giving rocks rights. If you say to someone you will dispose of their body in a certain way and then renege on that promise once they are dead they aren't suffering as a result of it. The only person who potentially suffers is you because of a sense of guilt and betrayal. If we persuade people to agree to give up their bodies when they die then we won't have this sense of guilt. By giving the dead "rights" we restrict those of the living.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 14 Jul 2008, 20:01
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Post 13 Jul 2011, 22:37
Thanks for being the first one to take this seriously. Also yes, of course, body parts that can't be put to use can be disposed of (burial, cremation, whatever) of course... I guess we have enough healthy/young dead to satisfy the demand for donor organs.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 04 Aug 2004, 20:49
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Post 13 Jul 2011, 23:00
We have donor cards in the UK, where you have to be signed up before you die for others to benefit from your organs. I have one as I reasoned I won't need any of my body bits after i'm gone. It also helps that they won't use any bits of me that have gone wonky, for instance my eyes if I go blind, my liver if that packs in or my heart if that decides to become blocked or calcified so as to not share my late self's former burden with anyone else who may need my bits.
That said, I reckon we have it right here, of people having to consent to this kind of thing before they die. You know how sentimental people can be regarding anything to do with a recently dead relative who didn't consent, and I suppose it's understandable with the shock not subsiding for anywhere from a month to a few years depending on who they are or their proximity to the dead party. gRed was wrong in the last bit for this reason, as the vast majority of dead people are mourned as their body is closely associated with their essential qualities and achievements, your measured decision to let your body be used after your death at least helps those who are grieving know that's what you wanted - you also aren't there to listen to emotionally skewed/mystical arguments and your decision has to be taken on its face value with the system of organ donations in the UK.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 30 Aug 2008, 18:12
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Post 13 Jul 2011, 23:14
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We have donor cards in the UK, where you have to be signed up before you die for others to benefit from your organs. I have one as I reasoned I won't need any of my body bits after i'm gone. It also helps that they won't use any bits of me that have gone wonky, for instance my eyes if I go blind, my liver if that packs in or my heart if that decides to become blocked or calcified so as to not share my late self's former burden with anyone else who may need my bits.
That said, I reckon we have it right here, of people having to consent to this kind of thing before they die. You know how sentimental people can be regarding anything to do with a recently dead relative who didn't consent, and I suppose it's understandable with the shock not subsiding for anywhere from a month to a few years depending on who they are or their proximity to the dead party. gRed was wrong in the last bit for this reason, as the vast majority of dead people are mourned as their body is closely associated with their essential qualities and achievements, your measured decision to let your body be used after your death at least helps those who are grieving know that's what you wanted - you also aren't there to listen to emotionally skewed/mystical arguments and your decision has to be taken on its face value with the system of organ donations in the UK.
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No I agree that there should be consent, I just think we should be actively encouraging people to consent to it.

As for the body being an emotional reminder for the relatives, why do so many people opt for cremation?
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 04 Aug 2004, 20:49
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Post 13 Jul 2011, 23:33
Cost and inability to find a spot due to municipal/local burial ground already being subscribed or not being confirmed into the CofE, excluding your unholy body from being buried in your own village?
That said, I wonder just how many well liked people from villages who barely ever left the area and were not confirmed into the CofE had to be buried somewhere where nobody would recognise the grave? Bloody CofE property! They own your soul then your body, minus consented organs of course, once you're dead!
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 21 Dec 2004, 23:53
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Post 14 Jul 2011, 06:07
Voted no, could've voted other. People shouldn't be forced to recyle their corpse. Personally, when I die I don't care what happens to my corpse, I'm dead. In the USA we have something called "organ donor" on our drivers license. If you die in a car accident and it says "organ donor" on your license, your organs are donated. An expanded version of that would be a good start. If someone is dead set on being burned, buried or cast out to sea it is not a battle worth fighting.

Personally donating my dead corpse for a high school prank, and having it hung off the high school flag pole was always an appealing option for me.
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Post 14 Jul 2011, 15:26
I voted yes. Please, give me Lenin's brain.


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people respected their dead long before bourgeoise was invented. how about we open tombs of our partisan heroes or better, srebrenica mass graveyard and feed them to pigs? people would love that.

A hero would be proud to improve the human condition even after his death.
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Post 14 Jul 2011, 15:32
Pretty much, yes. It's fragging honorable to give away your eyes to make blind children see, for example.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 28 Sep 2009, 00:56
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Post 14 Jul 2011, 18:36
Voted yes. With donor waiting lists as long as they are now, if legislation went into place that forced everyone to become donors upon death, it would save an incalculable number of lives.

Then you can do the sensible thing and cremate what's left.
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