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 19 Apr 2011, 13:22
Quote: >He thinks the universe has been explored in its entirety and that our present understanding of it is sound Quote: >He thinks anyone with a belief dolls the dosh to build more centres God was the big bang, therefore space and time as we know it are not only god but its creation, and every living thing found or not is a little slice of it. Deal with it. Quote: Flyin' through space on my DC-8, dropped in lava was my alien fate! L Ron Hubbard was no land lubber out on his boat he was a old child lov-no, wait. 19 Apr 2011, 14:41
Jingle_Bombs wrote: <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 really this is ultimate proof for why atheism is ridiculous. you want to observe god? LOOK AT THE WORLD, DIPSHITS
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 27 Apr 2007, 18:04 Ideology: Marxism-Leninism Komsomol 19 Apr 2011, 15:27
^So because we don't exactly know how (or why even for that matter) the universe came into existence, we should assume that it was "God", or whoever that is, made the universe and us as we are? And actually, atheism is the belief that there is no God, not necessarily the description above.
I'm an atheist, btw. Terror without virtue is fatal; virtue without terror is impotent.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 28 Sep 2009, 00:56 Ideology: Democratic Socialism Unperson 19 Apr 2011, 15:41
Yeah but even if you knew the mechanics of exactly how the universe was created down to the last detail, it still would have happened for no discernable reason, if atheists are correct.
The universe can't have simply burst randomly into existence from nothing, just as an apple pie does not randomly appear out of nowhere.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 27 Apr 2007, 18:04 Ideology: Marxism-Leninism Komsomol 19 Apr 2011, 15:49
I understand, that is also the reason why religion was created; to explain why, rather than how the universe was created. In all honesty I don't exactly hate religion, I'm just annoyed by the fact that all atheists are always being equated with people like Richard Dawkins who have no clue what religion is all about. I've had my troubles with clergymen myself, so I do personally dislike (especially organised) religion, but I don't personally see religion as being the enemy.
Terror without virtue is fatal; virtue without terror is impotent.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 18 Apr 2010, 04:44 Ideology: Marxism-Leninism Embalmed 19 Apr 2011, 16:10
In all honesty, I do hate religion.
Life is a meaningless collection of synapses, blood, bones, and pain. Want proof? Go to a nursing home and observe the wreckage there. No oxygen to the brain? The cells die, and one's individual personality ("soul") dies with it. It's pointless to believe otherwise. Admittedly, it's quite lucrative to collect millions of dollars based on encouraging hope in an afterlife. Personal comments removed. - KW 19 Apr 2011, 16:35
now that was actual censorship. :P
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 28 Sep 2009, 00:56 Ideology: Democratic Socialism Unperson 19 Apr 2011, 16:47
Quote: Exactly. You'll have to look hard to find a sensible christian (or muslim, jew, whatever) who believes the big bang did not occur. Order227 wrote: So the fact that people grow old and die is your proof for god's supposed nonexistence? 
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 11 Nov 2009, 07:13 Ideology: Other Leftist Politburo 19 Apr 2011, 18:29
Christian- Non-denominational
My girlfriend is a Baptist though so I've been going to a Baptist church recently. And I go to a church of Christ school, so I go to a lot of church of christ services as well.  19 Apr 2011, 18:56
Quote: It's even in the Bible. "Let there be light." 19 Apr 2011, 18:59
seriously, has anyone here studied philosophy at all? everyone here is looking at religion from christian perspective. what about if there is god who created universe and doesnt even notices us? or he does but doesnt cares? who created him? or perhaps he is an evil god who keeps us for personal entertainment? perhaps there are more things than god out there? perhaps there even is no god involved here. personally i doubt there is an anthromorphorised god out there like that jealous judeo-christian god jehovah.
let's leave science to scientists and lets leave religion to philosophers and theologists like we did in pre-christian and early-islam era. there is no need to stop looking for higher purpose in life and there is no need to obstruct human technological progress and morals in any kind of way.  Jugoslavija je bleda slika premrzlega partizana zato je njeno ljudstvo navajeno trpeti zato je njeno ljudstvo pripravljeno umreti. -Via Ofenziva Forum Rules 19 Apr 2011, 19:07
Quote: Then He's not God. Quote: Then we can still care about Him. Quote: He's by definition uncreated, because He's eternal. If He weren't, He wouldn't be God. seriously all these questions are dumbass first grade atheist bullshit
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 18 Apr 2010, 04:44 Ideology: Marxism-Leninism Embalmed 19 Apr 2011, 19:12
Creating these topics should probably be discouraged, as the arguments always lead to the same conclusions.
It's enough to refer to the poll results at the top of the page, and note that the majority of Socialists are atheists. 19 Apr 2011, 19:15
Quote: CENSORSHIP!! 19 Apr 2011, 19:20
Quote: why? perhaps he limited himself or perhaps there are rules even he must follow. if you buy a jar of butter and leave it in the fridge for a year, will you bother counting every single fungus cell? Quote: but why should we care about someone who doesnt cares about us? does he even thinks like humans do? Quote: that's christian perspective again. your idea of god is based on christian dogma. Quote: right, descartes, d'alembert, socrates, all of them were first grade atheist morons. you're arguing from christian perspective. prove me that christian god is the god and i'll apologise for posting first grade atheist bullshit. Jugoslavija je bleda slika premrzlega partizana zato je njeno ljudstvo navajeno trpeti zato je njeno ljudstvo pripravljeno umreti. -Via Ofenziva Forum Rules
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 28 Sep 2009, 00:56 Ideology: Democratic Socialism Unperson 19 Apr 2011, 19:28
Order227 wrote: Actually the poll results (if you really want to make a big deal out of them) indicate that the majority are religious. I count 10 atheists and 14 religious/non-athiest voters. 
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 02 Mar 2004, 15:19 Ideology: Democratic Socialism Old Bolshevik 19 Apr 2011, 19:37
You do realize the 7th day was meant for resting, right? What are you doing in church?
 Fitzy wrote: 19 Apr 2011, 19:38
Quote: 'Whenever you pray, do not be like the hypocrites who love to pray while standing in congregations so that people can see them. - Matthew 6:5 Jugoslavija je bleda slika premrzlega partizana zato je njeno ljudstvo navajeno trpeti zato je njeno ljudstvo pripravljeno umreti. -Via Ofenziva Forum Rules 
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 12 May 2010, 07:43 Ideology: Other Leftist Politburo 19 Apr 2011, 19:47
Quote: There's nothing wrong with creating topics. Yes, these topics tend to lead to same arguments that I've seen and gotten into many times before in other places that I really have no interest in participating in them, but if a member can't be arsed to use the search function or just simply wants to find out how people on this forum feel about a certain topic now, there's nothing stopping them. If you don't like a topic, just ignore it. That's all I can say. “Conservatism is the blind and fear-filled worship of dead radicals” - Mark Twain
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 18 Apr 2010, 04:44 Ideology: Marxism-Leninism Embalmed 19 Apr 2011, 20:22
It's not that I don't like these topics per se. I don't feel as others do that the level of discourse has somehow devolved in the last year or two. I just tend to notice that some of the perennial arguments do tend to lead to the same conclusions, with noticeable regularity.
Perhaps stickying this thread will remedy that?
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