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Which Party is the best?

Communist Party USA
9
21%
Party For Socialism and Liberation
17
40%
Workers World Party
1
2%
Revolutionary Communist Party USA
1
2%
Socialist Party USA
4
10%
Freedom Road Socialist Orginization (FRSO.org)
0
No votes
Freedom Road Socialist Orginization (freedomroad.org)
0
No votes
Progressive Labor Party
1
2%
Socialist Workers Party
0
No votes
Other
9
21%
 
Total votes : 42
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 14 Jan 2010, 05:46
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Post 05 Dec 2010, 00:58
I'm wondering what USA Party I should join, so what parties dose SE like?
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Post 05 Dec 2010, 08:59
Red Brigade wrote:
I'm wondering what USA Party I should join, so what parties dose SE like?

Personally I like the republican party.
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Post 05 Dec 2010, 14:40
I voted CPUSA.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 04 Dec 2010, 17:54
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Post 05 Dec 2010, 15:11
The Rent is too Damn High party.
The guy who runs it is an idiot but a genius at the same time.
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Post 05 Dec 2010, 18:32
PSL seems to be a pretty solid, if small, party. They're non-partisan (publicly, at least) when it comes to the Stalin vs. Trotsky debate, and they don't tail after Obama or have dealings with the Democrats as CPUSA seems to have fallen into. Their ideology seems pretty squarely non-revisionist and revolutionary. Perhaps you should check into them further as several of us on SE are doing at the moment. Also, several SE posters are apparently already members of PSL.
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Post 05 Dec 2010, 18:57
PSL isn't a marxist-leninist party, rather a kind of leftist sect. I never heard of them before, so I think they are not very useful. At least, te CPUSA will send youths at the WFDY's festival, so maybe I will talk to them.
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Post 05 Dec 2010, 19:01
I'd ask SE members only about their active experience within parties. Otherwise you might simply be getting some people's innate prejudices against parties they've never really dealt with.

Besides that you should also investigate which party has most regional activity in your area. What kind of activity it is, and if you could see yourself participating in those activities.
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Post 05 Dec 2010, 19:35
OP-Bagration wrote:
PSL isn't a marxist-leninist party, rather a kind of leftist sect. I never heard of them before, so I think they are not very useful. At least, te CPUSA will send youths at the WFDY's festival, so maybe I will talk to them.


You have it so backwards and wrong it's hilarious, sorry but you're a big M-L and this is your opinion.


What's a 'leftist sect' and what about the PSL qualifies them as one, and how would the CPUSA not qualify for that term more than the PSL? I hope you're not thinking it's the PSL that's useless and the CPUSA is that party of marxist-leninists we should be supporting.

I think this what WCM was talking about when he said:

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Otherwise you might simply be getting some people's innate prejudices against parties they've never really dealt with.
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Post 05 Dec 2010, 20:11
The problem is I will never deal with the PSL because my Party has no relation with them. Even if I could, I wouldn't, because I am a "communist", marxist-leninist, not a simple "socialist".

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sorry but you're a big M-L

What is a "big M-L" ? Is that bad ?

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What's a 'leftist sect' and what about the PSL qualifies them as one, and how would the CPUSA not qualify for that term more than the PSL?

Because CPUSA is not a split of a trotskyist split.
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Post 05 Dec 2010, 21:04
I voted PSL cause I've heard a lot of good things about them. Although I've also heard about the FRSO. The one with FRSO.org as their website that is.
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Post 05 Dec 2010, 23:12
OP-Bagration wrote:
The problem is I will never deal with the PSL because my Party has no relation with them. Even if I could, I wouldn't, because I am a "communist", marxist-leninist, not a simple "socialist".


It almost sounds like you prefer the CPUSA because they have 'communist' in their name and the PSL only has 'socialist'.

OP-Bagration wrote:
What is a "big M-L" ? Is that bad ?


No, I'm saying you're a firm marxist-leninist yet you're supporting the CPUSA over the PSL. That's ridiculous.

OP-Bagration wrote:
Because CPUSA is not a split of a trotskyist split.


Neither is the PSL. You seriously think the PSL is a trotskyist split off the WWP?
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Post 05 Dec 2010, 23:27
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Neither is the PSL. You seriously think the PSL is a trotskyist split off the WWP?

No he's saying that the PSL split off of the WWP which split off of the Trotskyist SWP.
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Post 05 Dec 2010, 23:36
Red Brigade wrote:
No he's saying that the PSL split off of the WWP which split off of the Trotskyist SWP.


I don't really understand what he was saying their and I don't think this is what he's saying either, as neither the PSL or the WWP are trotskyist parties nor do their splits have to do with any loyalty to trotsky.
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Post 05 Dec 2010, 23:59
no ones calling them trotskyist he's just saying they split off of a trotskyist party.
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Post 06 Dec 2010, 00:24
Exactly. And it may leave scars.
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Post 06 Dec 2010, 00:29
Yea I'm still confused. What's this have to do with becoming a leftist sect?
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Post 06 Dec 2010, 00:40
I'm an active member of the Communist Party USA and voted for them/us.

Conscript wrote:
No, I'm saying you're a firm marxist-leninist yet you're supporting the CPUSA over the PSL. That's ridiculous.

How is it ridiculous for a Marxist-Leninist to support a Marxist-Leninist party?
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Post 06 Dec 2010, 01:52
Conscript wrote:
Yea I'm still confused. What's this have to do with becoming a leftist sect?


In OP-B's world any party or person that doesn't foam at the mouth at the very mention of Trotsky's name is somehow ultraleftist or anti-communist.

Red_Son wrote:
How is it ridiculous for a Marxist-Leninist to support a Marxist-Leninist party?


It isn't because the CPUSA isn't even M-L.
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Post 06 Dec 2010, 02:17
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It isn't because the CPUSA isn't even M-L.

If nominal criticism is the extent of your polemic, then I'm sorely disappointed. Seriously, the "CPUSA isn't M-L, I'M M-L!!" garbage never had substance and is worn out. I don't even recall when S-E ever agreed to a precise definition of Marxism-Leninism. Furthermore it smacks of arrogance to turn up your nose and basically accuse an active worker's party of abandoning our theoretical methodology simply because you don't agree with the conclusions reached. It also flies in the face of good faith between comrades that we at least accept each others word that we are, in fact, communists. But, if you feel like factionalism will benefit the working people of the US, go right on ahead.
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Post 06 Dec 2010, 02:22
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In OP-B's world any party or person that doesn't foam at the mouth at the very mention of Trotsky's name is somehow ultraleftist or anti-communist.
He's rabid when it comes to this issue. I think he just stepped out of a time machine from the 1930s actually.
Red_Son wrote:
But, if you feel like factionalism will benefit the working people of the US, go right on ahead.
He seriously thinks this way.
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