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Should incest,even among closest relatives,be legalized?

Yes
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25%
Other/Indecisive
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17%
No
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58%
 
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Post 14 Oct 2010, 21:23
Should incest,even among closest relatives,be legalized?

I vote "no",it should never be legalized.Not even among distant relatives(everything under the 4th generation).
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Post 14 Oct 2010, 21:28
Yes, of course. Everything should be allowed if it harms nobody.
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Post 14 Oct 2010, 21:38
Resoundingly no!
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Post 14 Oct 2010, 21:54
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no, not really. even animals dont do that.
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Post 14 Oct 2010, 22:02
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even animals dont do that.

Probably true in general,but there are exceptions though.

As Yahoo Answers say:
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Yes. Bonobos are a good example - each individual regularly mates with all members of its group, regardless of age or sex. This is a form of social bonding for them, helping them resolve conflicts without the need for violence. It is obviously not done for reproduction, since they mate with individuals of the same sex and those too young to breed.

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index ... 354AAr1mg8

An article called "Incest Not So Taboo in Nature"
http://www.livescience.com/health/08011 ... ience.html

Cat incest

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index ... 210AAm0Y04
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I got my two kittens when they were six weeks old and that was this past July, It never occured to me that they would mate, i figured they would know that they were brother and sister
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Post 14 Oct 2010, 22:11
Mabool wrote:
Yes, of course. Everything should be allowed if it harms nobody.


Except that it does. Closely related individuals that procreate tend to pass on harmful recessive genes more easily. There's a reason why European nobility and monarchs had higher instances of mental illnesses and inherited physical problems. The same can be said about why people in the American South tend to be so messed up. Oops, that was probably a bit too mean.
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Post 14 Oct 2010, 22:16
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Probably true in general,but there are exceptions though.


indeed, hence the picture i posted above. i dont think animals indiscriminately mate with their own kin either.
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Post 14 Oct 2010, 22:19
Yeah, because there's not such a thing as contraception.


Of course they shouldn't be allowed to reproduce, but that was not the question. Incest is the sexual act. Reproduction would be inbreeding, which is a wholly different topic.

Also the Egyptians did that for centuries without getting into trouble.
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Post 14 Oct 2010, 22:28
I voted no, for reasons which are so resoundingly obvious I hardly need to recount them here. The act itself can hardly be legislated against, but the results deserve to be discouraged.
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Post 15 Oct 2010, 01:13
humans in primitive time used to do it alot i believe, but oh well. it's not a viable evolutionary strategy, and there are certain psychological factor which makes you unattracted to your sister for example, not just morals of society.
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Post 15 Oct 2010, 02:09
Mabool wrote:
Also the Egyptians did that for centuries without getting into trouble.


So did our royalty and look how that ended up.

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Incest, in principal, I'm disgusted by but I'm not explicitly against. There are many sexual practices that disgust me but I'm perfectly fine with them being allowed as well. The main issue with incest is how frequently it is tied to abuse, the parent over a child, an older sibling over a younger, etc. However between adults there shouldn't be any legalistic punishment. We should all frown upon it (which is extremely effective as a deterrent) but locking people up for this kind of stuff is absurd*. Its not our job to create a series of laws dictating sexual norms.

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* where abuse is not present of course.
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Post 15 Oct 2010, 03:20
oh come on she's not that ugly, i'll do her. i guess there often is an abusive relationship. also parents and their children having sex is very distressing psychologically even if over the age of consent, albeit primitive society didnt seem to have taboo about that either.
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Post 15 Oct 2010, 03:31
Tis a dude broseph.

GreenCommunism wrote:
also parents and their children having sex is very distressing psychologically even if over the age of consent,


I'm sure it is but adults should be able to resist coercion even from their parents.

GreenCommunism wrote:
albeit primitive society didnt seem to have taboo about that either.


The taboo is what makes it a scaring event.
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Post 15 Oct 2010, 03:54
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The minute I find a woman with the last name of that its a friendzone I dont care what cousin she might be, I ain't kissin' her....Even if that rules out like 1/4 of my provinces population.
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Post 15 Oct 2010, 04:08
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Tis a dude broseph.


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The taboo is what makes it a scaring event.


not sure about that, this argument is too often used by child molester.
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Post 15 Oct 2010, 04:23
Is incest even illegal? But anyway I say let the rednecks have their fun.
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Post 15 Oct 2010, 04:29
God, Dagoth, that picture you posted looks like my Russian literature prof from the second semester of my last school year in uni. Problem is, my prof then was a chick.

I either got incest and inbreeding mixed up earlier, or my mind was drawing a direct link between the two. In any case, I pretty much agree with Dagoth on this issue. I think it's weird and there's just something gross about it. Because of what it could possibly produce, it should be looked down upon. As for the use of contraception that Mabool brought up, there is of course also the possibility for contraceptives to fail, or perhaps they choose not to, in which case of either of those happening and pregnancy does occur, it would be best for the woman to have an abortion (though the state probably can't force that but should suggest it strongly nevertheless if it is discovered that the child will have some severe problems). On the other hand, there's no real reason to legislate people's personal sexual lives, because that would be excessive meddling on the part of the state and set up a dangerous precedent in the process.

Of course, abuse should always be watched out for.
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Post 15 Oct 2010, 04:33
GreenCommunism wrote:
not sure about that, this argument is too often used by child molester.


Of course it is but that doesn't mean it isn't true. Lets take, for example, the difference between a boy who is molested by a male adult and the a boy who is molested by a female adult. The boy who is molested by a man is pitied but is thereafter always looked at in a different, usually negative, light. The boy who is molested by a woman, especially an attractive woman, is a hero however. A champion of sex, already a man.

This doesn't excuse abuse whatsoever but it is a clear effect of the taboo. One that I have no idea how we're supposed to overcome.
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Post 15 Oct 2010, 16:37
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If anyone thinks that incest has no victims, Think again. There can be genetic defects from generations of inbreeding. Especially in cases of mutated genes where the offspring will carry two copies of that same gene.
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Post 15 Oct 2010, 20:21
Yes. As long as it isn't allowed to reproduce between close relatives, it harms nobody.
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