[Red_Walker]

Yes it`s he whose name we don`t pronounce. You could have come to Croatia to the hotel in some village (I can`t remember exactly where) to show him some "thankfulness". But I bet the road was blocked by the CIA.

[Ossi]

He is still a friend of Helmut Kohl and comes regularly to Germany where he gets his medical treatment.

[cmoibenlepro]

He's not dead, and he still lives in Russia. Check on wikipedia.

[hugas]

i saw in news few weeks ago, that he is writing famous articles in Russia, he likes to travel, that's why he celebrated his birthday in USA. Russians not really hate him, he was wise man, because he made lot of reforms before the fall of USSR, the only his mistake was to destroy USSR. but he was one of the most wise rulers anyhow.

[Ossi]

What's going on here? Can't be right!

[hugas]

i don't know if this picture is true, but it can be true, because Gorbachev didn't do anything against Russia, so he can be a friend of Putin.

[Ossi]

delete

[Ossi]

Him and his german masters.
CIA agent E.Shevarnadze in the back and H.Genscher (front left) responsible for the war in yugoslavia.

[hugas]

um.. this food looks worth it.why delete?

[Ossi]

That timber table represents the USSR and the east bloc. They having a laugh about the way Germany gets most of it.

I deleted the previous link as the picture adress was to long (did not work).

[fontis]

Kruschev for sure.


He screwed over everything after Stalin, or well started paving the way for even bigger screw ups to come during Brezhnev and well, you know the rest.

If I am to blame anyone, I blame Kruschev for turning Soviet to a social-imperialist union.

[Richthofen]

I would generally not blame Khrushchev as the whole cause. Stupid but honest attempts were made during Khrushchev's periods for some reforms. The reforms, however, were generally failures. The problem of just placing it on Khrushchev is illogical as solely blaming one guy would mean that there were huge problems. There weren't huge problems, at least in the early 1950s.

[Besoshvili]

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I would generally not blame Khrushchev as the whole cause. Stupid but honest attempts were made during Khrushchev's periods for some reforms. The reforms, however, were generally failures. The problem of just placing it on Khrushchev is illogical as solely blaming one guy would mean that there were huge problems. There weren't huge problems, at least in the early 1950s.

I find absolutely nothing wrong with blaming Khrushchev for the problem. In fact, it's the most logical choice of the aforementioned options. Under Khrushchev, the reforms were more pervasive than simple policy analysis would show. Alongside these reforms, a re-newed sense of property "rights" were established. The housing cooperatives were abandoned and forgotten, and there became a mode of exchange based upon simple market schemes absent a monetary system. It didn't become clearly obvious until later, but by the 70's Soviet citizens had a clear understanding of a new sense of "property."

[Richthofen]

I would agree to your assertion, which is expanded upon in Bill Bland's The Restoration of Capitalism in the Soviet Union. I just wouldn't agree on the idea that simply blaming the problems on Khrushchev is correct since there was no "absolute ruler" of the USSR. It lacks a realistic analysis of the USSR and just puts all the blame on one man.

[Besoshvili]

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I would agree to your assertion, which is expanded upon in Bill Bland's The Restoration of Capitalism in the Soviet Union. I just wouldn't agree on the idea that simply blaming the problems on Khrushchev is correct since there was no "absolute ruler" of the USSR. It lacks a realistic analysis of the USSR and just puts all the blame on one man.

I agree completely- that blaming the whole thing on Khrushchev is premature and lacks thorough analysis...but we're discussing within the parameters of this thread, if you want to get into a detailed discussion on the causes of the fall of the Soviet Union that would be another topic. But yes, I agree that you can't JUST blame it on one man.

[fontis]

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If I am to blame anyone, I blame Kruschev for turning Soviet to a social-imperialist union

[Red_Walker]

hugas:

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He's not dead, and he still lives in Russia. Check on wikipedia.

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i saw in news few weeks ago, that he is writing famous articles in Russia, he likes to travel, that's why he celebrated his birthday in USA. Russians not really hate him, he was wise man, because he made lot of reforms before the fall of USSR, the only his mistake was to destroy USSR. but he was one of the most wise rulers anyhow.

If its something about a CIA agent. I wouldn`t trust any news, papers, any media at all. I don`t know if I`d trust my bare eyes.
He celebrated his bithday in Croatia. I`m certain about that.
You need to know that all media servers interests of the state and the mighty burgeoise, every information goes throught the goverment before going public. So you hear only those thing that they want you to hear and in a way they want you to hear it. That`s how people are controlled in this "democracy".

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he was wise man, because he made lot of reforms before the fall of USSR, the only his mistake was to destroy USSR

No comment.

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Him and his german masters.
CIA agent E.Shevarnadze in the back and H.Genscher (front left) responsible for the war in yugoslavia.

I`ve always known that CIA was responsible for that war(1991-1995).
But I had no idea about those agents or that pictiure you posted.
Could you explain me that better?
Maybe you could post it in Other states-Tell me about Yugoslavia theme.

[hugas]

you want to say that media lies that he lives in Russia and writing articles there?

[Kochoson]

Most? Gorbachev...

It's also not entirely a question of "who", but of "what"... Events, circumstances... many of them...

But still, Gorbachev - the system was destroyed from above.

[Red Rebel]

As Fidel Castro said, blaming a person for everything would be historical simplism. He was talking about Stalin but I do not see the fall of the USSR caused by anyone person.