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Hungary 1956: Revolution or Counter Revolution?

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What’s your opinion on 1956?

Poor Hungarians! It was outrageous what they did to them!
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33%
It’s a shame that it happened.
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I’m indifferent.
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They got what was coming for them.
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Those treacherous Hungarians deserved to be crushed beneath the righteous Soviet heel!
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Other...
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 13 Jun 2005, 23:41
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Post 24 Jun 2005, 11:24
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What’s so wrong with compromise? The last time I checked the world worked around compromise. That way everybody is happy, and if not overjoyed, they are at least not furious and bloodthirsty.


Compromise does account for most of the world's progress. That's why its a worry that the US is the only significant remaining superpower - it can more or less decide the fate of the world.



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Buffoonasaurus Rex, read my post so that you'll understand it in the context that I wrote it.


Whoops, sorry, my bad! I flipped through without reading everything you had wrote on your post. Do forgive me, Comrade.
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Post 24 Jun 2005, 14:27
Compromise isn't going to aid these nations, because they are small. They are not getting anything in return.
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Post 24 Jun 2005, 14:56
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Compromise isn't going to aid these nations, because they are small. They are not getting anything in return.


I suppose you are right, Comrade Wheelchairman, I suppose it is only the large countries who gain from compromise. Then again this raises the question, is a small country better off being dominated by one superpower, or fought over between two?
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Post 24 Jun 2005, 17:55
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J.Jordan- Yes keep toting the soviet line that the Hungarians were "CIA-agents", and "Trotskyites" at the same time. because like...that makes a lot of sense.


Wheelchairman- Yes keep toting the yankee trotskyist line that the hungarians were Communists trying to build a genuinely socialist society.

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That's great, can you find any Soviet sources that didn't call the Hungarian revolution a "trotskyite" or "CIA coup"?

Can you find any American sources that don't call the "Hungarian revolution" a "democratic revolution"?

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It's ridiculous to say that it was just a group of CIA agents and Trotskyites. Especially when you claim that these people have no bearing with society. How on Earth do you explain the mass support of the revolution then? That's always the tricky part.


The imperialists are very good at exploiting contradictions amongst people. In Hungary there were serious contradictions amongst the people after Stalin died, but they were being addressed, however the imperialists used these contradictions to bring about anarchy and disorder.

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Oh yes, they came in killing us and blowing up our houses for ou own good. It was just a rather bad tasting medicine, eh?


No, it was stopping a CIA agitated riot.

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Oh sure, we didn’t want freedom. We were just in it for the money and because we are a country of gullible fools who will believe that the sky is green and that in New York the streets are paved with gold.


I never said many hungarian commoners who took part in the riots and counter revolution were not sincerely thinking they were fighting for something noble, I am just saying the leaders and agitators were all CIA agents and trotskyists working with the CIA and the propaganda station "Radio Free Europe". Imre Nagy was a counter revolutionary as well, when the shit hit the fan he fled to Yugoslavia with his best pal, Tito, well known for being a NATO puppet.

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Ever heard of something called the Prague spring?


"Prague Spring" was similar to Hungary, read my whole post. Countries that were genuinely socialist and wanted out of the Warsaw Pact were allowed to, rioters and imperialist agitators who attempted to launch a coup were not accepted by the USSR.

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Before you comment on how lovely Rakosi Hungary was talk to somebody who lived during his rule, or at the absolute minimum watch a movie on it. And not some Russian one, and if you don’t trust the Americans how about you watch a Hungarian one? I can recommend an excellent one that even has subtitles.


I don't want to watch your propaganda movie.

I don't understand why you trust a movie made in a capitalist country over one made in a Socialist country. Maybe you are a capitalist, that is fine you have a right to your own version of history, but I am not. I am a socialist and have broken the chains of mental slavery of capitalist media.

All art and media in a capitalist society is made for capitalists, so of course your Hungarian movie is going to show your side of the story, just like all the Cowboy movies showed the white American capitalist side of the story.

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You know, you are probably right, Hungary didn’t know what was good for. I mean, what country knows what is good for it? The Russians had the peoples best interests in mind when they rolled the tanks into Budapest, gunning down students and blowing down houses. Awfully selfish of us Hungarians to not want to live in constant terror of the AVO and to want some civil liberties. We are just a bunch of greedy little pigs I suppose?


Well now you have your yankee idea of "freeDUMB": Poverty, destitution, and no social system. Hungary now has great "inDEPENDENCE" as a European Union client state, with all of Hungary's greatest technicians and skilled workers moving to western europe to make money for some western european capitalists. So you are right, Hungarians don't know what's good for them, America and Western Europe know what's good for them! Your wish has come true.

How pathetic is it your willing to give away a stable system that serves the people for some coca cola and nikes that people in Hungary probably can't even buy anyway.
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Post 26 Jun 2005, 01:25
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I don't understand why you trust a movie made in a capitalist country over one made in a Socialist country. Maybe you are a capitalist, that is fine you have a right to your own version of history, but I am not. I am a socialist and have broken the chains of mental slavery of capitalist media.


You may have broken the chains of mental slavery by the capitalist media, but only to replace them with chains of mental slavery by the soviet media.

Do you not recognise that EVERY government has an interest to endorse its actions through propaganda!?!
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Post 03 Jul 2005, 22:28
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Compromise isn't going to aid these nations, because they are small. They are not getting anything in return.


You suggest bloodshed instead?

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Can you find any American sources that don't call the "Hungarian revolution" a "democratic revolution"?


Have you ever considered with your' punny mind that the situation could be so far fetched that it actually was democratic. And I am Hungarian, so trust me on this chum.

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No, it was stopping a CIA agitated riot.


Seriously, how much do you actually know about the revolution? Did you happen to know that it was actually the AVO that put the spark to the powder by opening fire on peacefull student protestors? I bet you would be outraged if the Americans did that.

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never said many hungarian commoners who took part in the riots and counter revolution were not sincerely thinking they were fighting for something noble


Well.. I certainly havent seen anything to validate this, or is it just me that considers 'Pawn of the CIA' just a slight bit derogatory...

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Imre Nagy was a counter revolutionary as well, when the shit hit the fan he fled to Yugoslavia with his best pal, Tito, well known for being a NATO puppet.


20 years ago the people of Hungary would have agreed, but now they know better. And for your information, Nagy only fled to the Yugoslavian embassy. And when he left after he was promised safe transit to the west he was arrested and shot.


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Countries that were genuinely socialist and wanted out of the Warsaw Pact were allowed to


Dont tell me you serriously believe this
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I don't want to watch your propaganda movie.

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...of course your Hungarian movie is going to show your side of the story...


Oh that’s rich. So you are not even going to listen to the Hungarian version of events, eh? You know, it might be interesting that you are doing what you accuse me of doing, exept from the other side. And you talk to me about ‘propaganda’, bah.

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How pathetic is it your willing to give away a stable system that serves the people for some coca cola and nikes that people in Hungary probably can't even buy anyway.


Yes, serves the people in the party. You have no idea what kind of place my country is like do you? We are not like the poor Romanians, we are actually one of the most stable and economically prosperous countries in entire Eastern Europe. You are an ignorant fool. Spend a month in Hungary, talk to the people there, learn something. then i might actually take you serriously, whatever blind country you are from.
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Post 03 Jul 2005, 23:06
Poor Hungarians my *ss! I have many Hungarian friends who agree that the Hungarians shouldn't have been so Pro-Capitalist, now look at them, are they happy? Ha, they deserved the Soviet might to sweep over their defiant and idiotic mindlessness.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 07 Jun 2005, 23:39
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Post 04 Jul 2005, 05:44
Damn, mindless Stalinist/lobby fodder - at least there's no tanks rumbling through the streets, the Hungarians were defiant for a reason.
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Post 04 Jul 2005, 15:07
So you're for the Hungarian Revolution? Yet you carry the avatar of Mao?
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Post 11 Jul 2005, 13:16
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I have many Hungarian friends who agree that the Hungarians shouldn't have been so Pro-Capitalist, now look at them, are they happy?


Wow . . . "many Hungarian friends". Sounds like you must be the right little expert on Hungarian history. And "Pro-Capitalist"? The uprising in Hungary was crushed like a bug almost instantly, how could you possibly know of its intentions?
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Post 11 Jul 2005, 21:09
Try reading a book about it.
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Post 15 Jul 2005, 13:32
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Try reading a book about it.


Actually, I've read two books on the Hungarian uprising and I got closure from neither of them.
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Post 18 Jul 2005, 21:00
Tell me Soviet_Guy, are you yourself Hungarian? Do you have your entire extended family in Hungary? Do you go to visit them every 2 years? Do your ‘Hungarian Friends’ even live in Hungary? Do you actually know anything about the Hungarian psyche?


I think not, for than you would not sound so boisterous…
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Post 19 Jul 2005, 09:10
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Tell me Soviet_Guy, are you yourself Hungarian? Do you have your entire extended family in Hungary? Do you go to visit them every 2 years? Do your ‘Hungarian Friends’ even live in Hungary? Do you actually know anything about the Hungarian psyche?


I think not, for than you would not sound so boisterous…


I completely agree, Comrade. The terrible events that came as a result of the Cold War have rendered the Hungarians a very cynical people.
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Post 19 Jul 2005, 23:23
And the fact that we are the crossroad of Eastern Europe. We have been invaded by the Turks, the Austrians, the Germans, chosen the wrong side in WWI, been another victim of the holocaust, and than there was 1956.

Who wouldn’t be?
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Post 19 Jul 2005, 23:33
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And the fact that we are the crossroad of Eastern Europe. We have been invaded by the Turks, the Austrians, the Germans, chosen the wrong side in WWI, been another victim of the holocaust, and than there was 1956.

Who wouldn’t be?


I completely agree, Comrade. The Soviets' treatment of Hungarians was just the continuation of Hungary's long streak of being occupied.
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Post 21 Jul 2005, 06:40
Yep, and it has helped us build a healthy disregard to idealism and most people who have their heads in the clouds. At least in the majority of the cases.
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Post 21 Jul 2005, 07:49
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Yep, and it has helped us build a healthy disregard to idealism and most people who have their heads in the clouds. At least in the majority of the cases.


The Hungarians are wise in their cynicism. They're less likely to fall for the lies they receive from overseas and within.
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Post 21 Jul 2005, 23:14
There is truth in that comment, and it could have attributed to our realist attitude to life, not falling for foolish puritan communist ideology, creating ‘Goulash Socialism’ and it resulted in us being the best off country in the Eastern Block, even after the break-up.
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