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Hungary 1956: Revolution or Counter Revolution?

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What’s your opinion on 1956?

Poor Hungarians! It was outrageous what they did to them!
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33%
It’s a shame that it happened.
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24%
I’m indifferent.
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5%
They got what was coming for them.
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11%
Those treacherous Hungarians deserved to be crushed beneath the righteous Soviet heel!
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Other...
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 07 Jan 2006, 20:09
Unperson
Post 20 Mar 2006, 21:35
I've already clarified that the Hungarian counter-revolution was incited by right-wing opportunists within the Party e.g Imre Nagy in order to restore landlord capitalism in the worker-peasant state.

But can anyone answer whether Matyas Rakosi and Erno Gero were Jewish? I've heard rumours of such.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 21 Dec 2004, 23:53
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Post 20 Mar 2006, 22:10
According to Time Magazine Matyas Rakosi was Jewish. Also Ernő Gerő is suposedly Jewish too, I just didn't find a link as impressive as Time to back it up. Not that it is important if someone is Jewish...
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Post 21 Mar 2006, 06:30
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Not that it is important if someone is Jewish...


Well since there is a world-wide jewish conspiracy...
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Post 22 Mar 2006, 00:13
Hungary is a prime example of how socialism must be established from below and not Installed from above even if the force doing the installing had the best intentions which the soviets did not.
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Post 22 Mar 2006, 08:02
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Members of the hated AVO – the Hungarian NKVD style secret police – were strung up in the streets and the Statue of Stalin in the Parade Square was pulled down to cheering and the waving of Hungarian flags with holes where the red star should have been. On November 4, 1956, the Soviets intervened with massive military force. Soviet Tanks patrolled the streets of Budapest and Soviet armour quickly overwhelmed the popular resistance.


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Do you die-hard Stalinists and Pro-Soviets believe we deserved this?


Yes, you did. You started it. I can't imagine that the quality of life in Hungary was very bad.
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Post 22 Mar 2006, 08:19
So it is wrong for people of a country to want independence? Hungarians wanted and look what they got.
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Post 22 Mar 2006, 08:21
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Yes, you did. You started it.


Oh and the Soviets were "forced" to reoccupy Hungary.


I find it ironic that the bulk of the resistance against the Soviets were working class proletariat being crushed by the Soviets want of an empire.
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Post 22 Mar 2006, 10:18
I'm just curious.....independence.....the average working people wanted it......what for and what would they do with it???

The quality of life was not worse than anywhere else in the Eastern block, unlike now, when Hungary IS independent. As, SciHobo said, they should have kept quietand had friendly relations with the Warsaw pact which supported it economically and militarily.
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Post 22 Mar 2006, 19:13
Revolution, though like the May 1968 Revolution the counter-revolutionaries were trying to hijack the revolution. I now suspect that popular uprisings are the best solutions for bureaucratic tyranny. Engels stated in the Principles of Communism that the indirect rule of the proletariat, like Russia after the 1920s, would cost a second proletarian revolution.

The Hungarian Revolution established a proletarian democratic system of governance via workers’ councils and participatory democracy.
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Post 22 Mar 2006, 20:30
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So it is wrong for people of a country to want independence? Hungarians wanted and look what they got.


Hungary was an independent country prior to 1956. That is a plain fact. If this Hungarian counter-revolution was at all popular with the masses, it could have sustained the participation of Soviet forces. Just take a look at how the mighty U.S army ran home crying after failing to suppress an army of Indochinese peasants wielding pitchforks. According to the Warsaw Pact, the USSR was legally permitted to deploy troops in Hungary. Therefore, there was not an invasion of Hungary nor Czechoslovakia in 1968.
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Post 22 Mar 2006, 21:14
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Hungary was an independent country prior to 1956. That is a plain fact. If this Hungarian counter-revolution was at all popular with the masses, it could have sustained the participation of Soviet forces. According to the Warsaw Pact, the USSR was legally permitted to deploy troops in Hungary. Therefore, there was not an invasion of Hungary nor Czechoslovakia in 1968.


Just like Iraq is now an independent country. The American forces were just doing what most people wanted them to do.


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I'm just curious.....independence.....the average working people wanted it......what for and what would they do with it???


Sometimes people value independence over wealth.
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Post 22 Mar 2006, 21:22
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Just like Iraq is now an independent country. The American forces were just doing what most people wanted them to do.


This sort of Maoist self-criticism gets to be pretentious. Hungary was part of the Warsaw Pact -- it was an ALLY of USSR. Iraq was before 2003 a Zionist enemy that was subject to brutal sanctions. It was invaded with its president deposed due to the imperialist aim of resource-control and World Zionist hegemony.
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Post 22 Mar 2006, 21:29
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Hungary was part of the Warsaw Pact -- it was an ALLY of USSR.


It did not have a choice. The puppet goverments installed in Eastern Europe just did what the Soviets wanted them to do.

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Iraq was before 2003 a Zionist enemy that was subject to brutal sanctions. It was invaded with its president deposed due to the imperialist aim of resource-control and World Zionist hegemony.


Bush and Blair are Jews!

That still didn't respond to my point. I was comparing the US to the USSR and Iraq to Hungary. Also Jews have nothing/very little to do with Iraq or Hungary.
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Post 22 Mar 2006, 21:59
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The puppet goverments installed in Eastern Europe just did what the Soviets wanted them to do.


That is a matter of perception. You've not got a substantial amount of evidence for this statement. Hungary during 1948-1989 was under the rule of a multi-party coalition. Threfore there was not a government "installed" the way you connote. The people were supportive of the Matyas Rakosi's Communists as shown with the 1945-1947 elections. Complete data for historical elections in Europe can be found here

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Bush and Blair are Jews!

That still didn't respond to my point. I was comparing the US to the USSR and Iraq to Hungary. Also Jews have nothing/very little to do with Iraq or Hungary.


You've got to be satirising the mainstream "moderate" outlook, right? Because the Project for a New American Century is a Zionist organization composed of Israeli spies. This vile organization set forth the policy of unleashing aggression on Iraq years before Bush came to power. Leadership

Chairman Bill Kristol - Jew
Robert Kagan - Jew
Mark Gerson - Jew
Randy Scheunemann - Jew
Bruce Jackson - Jew
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Post 22 Mar 2006, 22:07
Yea jews are behind everything, jews started WW ll and are of course behind the happenings in Hungary.. You just cant blame jews for everything okey? Blame capitalists, and if they are jews no need to mention it.
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Unperson
Post 22 Mar 2006, 22:14
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Yea jews are behind everything, jews started WW ll and are of course behind the happenings in Hungary.. You just cant blame jews for everything okey? Blame capitalists, and if they are jews no need to mention it.


You don't know anything about Jews because you live in Finland. The fact is that in Russia Jews are compose 4 of the top 10 billionaires including Khodorkovsky, Fridman, Vekselberg, and Abramovich. Jews in America are 25% of this country's top billionaires. This is not secret information as it is published in bourgeois outlets such as Forbes

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You just cant blame jews for everything okey?


They destroyed the socialist countries and there is substantial evidence for this. Zionist Jew George Soros funded Andrei Sakharov, Solidarnosc in Poland, and Charter 77 in Czechoslovakia. He and Zionist butcher Madeleine Albright have seized the governments of Ukraine, Georgia, Yugoslavia, and Kyrgyzstan. They are trying to isolate Russia from her neighbours.
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Post 22 Mar 2006, 22:54
As Red Rebel said in post on Cafe Mir, the fact that jews are better at getting rich than most of the people, proves nothing of any zionist conspiracy.
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Post 22 Mar 2006, 23:15
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As Red Rebel said in post on Cafe Mir, the fact that jews are better at getting rich than most of the people, proves nothing of any zionist conspiracy.


How do people become wealthy in capitalism? Through integrity, intelligence, and work ethics? How would you describe the character of the Russian Jewish oligarchs e.g Khodorkovsky, Berezovsky, Fridman, Vekselberg, and Abramovich? We hold a dim outlook of Anglo-Saxons due to their elite status. The elite status of Jews, however, is no different and must be subject to the same degree of hostility. In terms of proportional representation, Jewish elite is well above their overall presence in the the population.
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Post 22 Mar 2006, 23:18
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How do people become wealthy in capitalism? Through integrity, intelligence, and work ethics?
In many cases yes, other times they dont work at it.
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Unperson
Post 22 Mar 2006, 23:29
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In many cases yes, other times they dont work at it.


You are being delusional. In capitalism, just as long as you born into a bourgeois family, you will be successful. Everyone else is condemned to a life of stagnant wages, soaring inflation, overpriced housing, overpriced education, and overpriced medical care.
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