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Post 25 Sep 2011, 20:10
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Post 25 Sep 2011, 21:06
To view an updated list the finished icons, please refer to page one of this thread.

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Post 25 Sep 2011, 21:15
Could I suggest perhaps using this for China?

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It's already pretty small, so making it smaller shouldn't be too difficult. It's a picture of Mao announcing the founding of the PRC at Tiananmen Square on October 1, 1949, which I think is better than a generic Mao portrait.

Jesus Christ, all I want is to find a picture of Tiananmen Square, and I have to sift through hundreds of that damn Tank Man picture, even AFTER I went through Advanced Search on Google to exclude certain terms.
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Post 25 Sep 2011, 21:23
@ KW-

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Post 25 Sep 2011, 21:55
We really shouldn't be using pictures of people. Maybe the Cult of Personality forum but none of the others, certainly none of the 'Communism' section forums. Maybe the 'Communist States' section but that's even a serious stretch. Really we should be able to find enough images of locales or propaganda to fill up all the spots without getting into fetishism over certain leaders.
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Post 25 Sep 2011, 22:06
Dagoth, try posting actual photos rather than pissing all over other peoples work. That's not very productive to be an armchair critic.
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Post 25 Sep 2011, 22:08
Dagoth Ur wrote:
We really shouldn't be using pictures of people. Maybe the Cult of Personality forum but none of the others, certainly none of the 'Communism' section forums. Maybe the 'Communist States' section but that's even a serious stretch. Really we should be able to find enough images of locales or propaganda to fill up all the spots without getting into fetishism over certain leaders.


I felt that way about it but idk.. if that's what people want, and can agree on, then why not? All of these icons are going to be made into polls when there is enough input, so if there are disagreements you can take it to individual threads. I want this thread being used for mostly images only.

Edit: Sorry, you beat me to it.
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Post 25 Sep 2011, 22:13
@chaz: Whatever bro. If I had picture I would have posted them I'm just not much of a sovietophile so I don't. I'm just pointing out that using Trotsky as the DoH forum is a really shitty sideways statement. You can act like it's not all you want but that's the only real way to read it as being in the Dustbin-o-Hist isn't exactly a statement of praise.

Also loling at armchair critic as though there has ever been anything else on the internet.

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then why not?

Because it looks terrible and puts up a message that I don't think most of S-E really agrees with.

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I want this thread being used for mostly images only

We have to discuss them. If you want this thread to be just pictures start a discussion thread.
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Post 25 Sep 2011, 22:17
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Because it looks terrible and puts up a message that I don't think most of S-E really agrees with.


Then I'll wait until someone has a better idea then add it to the poll. But so far that's all that's been suggested. Fair enough?


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I didn't say there was to be no discussion. I'm saying that arguments about specific forums should stay in the specific poll they are posted in instead of having a bunch of jumbled tangents in here.

If you don't like the way I do things in the forum that I moderate, feel free to look the other way.
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Post 25 Sep 2011, 22:21
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If I had picture I would have posted them I'm just not much of a sovietophile so I don't


I suppose you have no idea of what google images is... Come the frag on..

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I'm just pointing out that using Trotsky as the DoH forum is a really shitty sideways statement.


Really? That quote is famously attributed to Trotsky. He said it himself!

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The center and Right wings of the Socialist Revolutionaries as well as the Mensheviks believed that Lenin and the Bolsheviks had illegally seized power and they walked out before the resolution was passed. As they exited, they were taunted by Leon Trotsky who told them "You are pitiful isolated individuals; you are bankrupts; your role is played out. Go where you belong from now on — into the dustbin of history!"
(John Reed, Ten Days that Shook the World)

A Quote by Trotsky himself... During the October Revolution.... How in the hell is that a sideways statement?
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Post 25 Sep 2011, 22:23
re: Dagoth's point on using leaders

I agree that it would be better to not simply use leaders to represent countries, since leaders don't always represent their countries, and it does give off the impression of fetishism and dogmatism. As for my suggestion for PRC, I doubt that there's that much potential for Mao fetishism on a site called Soviet-Empire (notwithstanding the MTW people), but I do agree with your point overall. That's why I was trying to find Tiananmen Square as opposed to Mao pictures (hence the complaint earlier about the over 9000 Tank Man pics), and the one with Mao announcing the founding of the PRC turned out to be the best one that I got in terms of size and historicity.

Mao and the Little Red Book are in like almost all Chinese propaganda, though, from the first 25 years or so of the PRC, which makes that a bit harder, and I think I have made my opinions regarding the Cultural Revolution well-known enough on this site to not have to explain again why I would not want CR-period stuff to represent China.

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These are all fine, I guess we'll be putting it to a vote later on anyway, but I do like the first one most for historical reasons.
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Post 25 Sep 2011, 22:29
Okay, seriously. Just because these icons exist does NOT mean they are the ones that are going to be used. How hard is that to understand? This is an open-ended conversation with no set deadline. If you disagree or dislike any of the suggestions or images that have been stated or created then offer your own.

Comments that do nothing to further the conversation will be deleted. I'm not putting up with this.

I will not have people in here doing nothing but being critical. It only intimidates other people from posting.


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Post 25 Sep 2011, 22:30
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Really? That quote is famously attributed to Trotsky. He said it himself!

And who'd he say would be in it? You're ignoring that the DoH was an insult. Actually now that I've said that I figure that was the real point anyways, to turn Trotsky's insult agaisnt him (fair as it may be).

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A Quote by Trotsky himself... During the October Revolution.... How in the hell is that a sideways statement?

It's a sideways statement because you're putting him in the DoH. Being put in the DoH is not a compliment and carries an inherant ideological statement.

But I see you guys are going to kneejerk against anything I have to say on this (or anything) so I'll just back off into the recesses of the Empire.

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I agree that it would be better to not simply use leaders to represent countries, since leaders don't always represent their countries, and it does give off the impression of fetishism and dogmatism. As for my suggestion for PRC, I doubt that there's that much potential for Mao fetishism on a site called Soviet-Empire (notwithstanding the MTW people), but I do agree with your point overall. That's why I was trying to find Tiananmen Square as opposed to Mao pictures (hence the complaint earlier about the over 9000 Tank Man pics), and the one with Mao announcing the founding of the PRC turned out to be the best one that I got in terms of size and historicity.

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Post 25 Sep 2011, 22:33
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But I see you guys are going to kneejerk against anything I have to say on this (or anything) so I'll just back off into the recesses of the Empire.


If you say so. Feel free to come back when you have something constructive to say.
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Post 25 Sep 2011, 22:39
Don't "boo hoo I'm going home" with me..

SUGGEST SOMETHING AND I'LL REDO THE FRAGGING POLL.

We don't have to agree for me to do something, now do we.. I don't agree with your sentiment and you don't agree on mine. So Suggest something as an alternative. Complaining without an alternative is childish, unproductive, and in my opinion, trolling. If you want to offer an alternative, I'll include it and redo the poll and reset the votes. I'm not going to stand pat to anyone shitting over everyone and everything and running away.

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So everyone who disagrees with you is kneejerk now?
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Post 25 Sep 2011, 22:48
chaz171 wrote:
Don't "boo hoo I'm going home" with me..

I'm already home.


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SUGGEST SOMETHING AND I'LL REDO THE FRAGGING POLL.

I dunno, Stalin maybe since he was the one who was supposed to be in the DoH. No I'm just joking the DoH is a really hard thing to even think of a picture for. Maybe a real dustbin from like the 20's or some shit like that.

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This could work, but I'm too lazy to make a 50x50 pic.

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Complaining without an alternative is childish, unproductive, and in my opinion, trolling.

Then your opinion is wrong. That's the loosest, most unreasonable, definition of trolling I've ever come across. People complain, it's far more common than offering suggestions.

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I'm not going to stand pat to anyone shitting over everyone and everything and running away.

Stand pat? Wat? Also I'm not shitting on everyone and everything, KW made some very good points and I think even Shig, who thought up using pictures in the first place, at least realized it was probably a bad idea. You're just mad at me and trying to color me as some kind of disruptive element so you can justify banning me eventually. It's cool, I don't care.

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So everyone who disagrees with you is kneejerk now?

No just the 171s. Nobody else is acting as aggressive towards me except you two. Not even Order and that's saying something.
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Post 25 Sep 2011, 22:51
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I dunno, Stalin maybe since he was the one who was supposed to be in the DoH. No I'm just joking the DoH is a really hard thing to even think of a picture for. Maybe a real dustbin from like the 20's or some shit like that.


Finally, something Positive. Thank you.

Ok, So how about a new poll with one Trotsky since he coined it, One of an actual 20's dustbin and something that actually represents the Mensheviks? (Julius Martov perhaps,, since it was assumed it was him, not Stalin, that the comment was directed towards...)
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Post 25 Sep 2011, 22:55
chaz171 wrote:
Ok, So how about a new poll with one Trotsky since he coined it, One of an actual 20's dustbin and something that actually represents the Mensheviks? (Julius Martov perhaps)

You're not getting it. Putting a picture of someone in the DoH, who isn't someone we all can hate like Hitler, is going to just come off as a sectarian statement. This is why we need to be careful.
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Post 25 Sep 2011, 23:08
You suggest Stalin and you are telling me I don't get it? Trotsky was suggested and you suggest Stalin and we're the ones with kneejerk reactions.....pot kettle black, Dag.

Some Members are going to suggest faces of people. Some members are going to suggest otherwise. Thus a vote. I agreed to remove the poll and redo it. I wanted to have it where members could have a say on it. The purpose of suggestions and a vote is so that members can have a say. It's not entirely up to you to decide what is or is not on that poll.

Thank you for the pic of the dustbin. I will redo the poll and re-post it later.

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19th century dustbin.
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