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Post 26 Nov 2008, 04:22
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Post 26 Nov 2008, 06:42
I don't understand the political scale.
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Post 26 Nov 2008, 06:51
The center is the present, liberalism. If our society drifts left, it will end up in the far right, and the opposite is also true.
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Post 26 Nov 2008, 07:32
Wahhaaat?!?!

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Post 26 Nov 2008, 10:42
Could you explain your reasoning behind that scale fitzy? I can see how "Socialism" can lead to Fascism, but Conservatism (as we see it in Western nations I assume) leading to Communism?
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Post 26 Nov 2008, 10:43
A reaction to extreme conservatism can be a communist revolution.
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Post 26 Nov 2008, 22:02
yes, well. Conservatism is much more likely to lead to communism, then "socialism" leading to communism. Thats my reasoning.

What do you guys think about my Canada flag?
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Post 26 Nov 2008, 22:17
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yes, well. Conservatism is much more likely to lead to communism, then "socialism" leading to communism.
Are you an anarchist?

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Post 26 Nov 2008, 23:50


Thats not quite what i meant. Rather, Phony socialism does not ever lead to communism, instead, it is often a prelude to fascism. Take the experiences of wheimar Germany for example: A socialist or communist revolution occured, of which the social democrats were against from the start, but afterwards wanted to take part, the communists allowed this, as they felt they could use the support. However, the social democrats did not help, rather, they worked against them, and in favour of the fascists. As fascism and social democracy represents identical class interests. The social democrats knew that social democracy was not possible in the current conditions, so essentially handed power over to the fascists. And we all know what happened after that.

This is what was meant by the diagram. However, to answer your question, I definitely have anarchistic sympathies.
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Post 27 Nov 2008, 00:06
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I definitely have anarchistic sympathies.
Very interesting, considering your choice of avatar.

Anyway... Err, your explanation made no sense.

1. The socialist revolution never succeeded in Germany.

2. The Social Democrats didn't "give power" to the Nazis.

Nazism didn't come as a result of socialism, or even social democracy, for that matter. It came as a result of nationalism and authoritarianism, which was embedded in German culture at the time. Let's not forget that the German Empire had just collapsed.

Let's also not forget the Treaty of Versailles. No rational human being could have expected Germany to actually be able to make such reparations. And it is more likely for a country to be more nationalistic and authoritarian when it feels it has to stand up against the world.
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Post 27 Nov 2008, 03:44
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The Social Democrats didn't "give power" to the Nazis


True. But lets not forget who shot Rosa. Or more specifically who released the Freikorps onto the revolutionaries.

The German CP did become ultra-left in the rise of Hitler to power, but theirs was an understandable position, given the previous betrayals of the working class by the Social-Democrats.
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Post 27 Nov 2008, 07:04
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Anyway... Err, your explanation made no sense.


Maybe I didnt fully comprehend the bit of history i was talking about.

Anyways, here is a decent source, that explains what i was trying to say, only alot better.:
http://www.stalinsociety.org.uk/BDandFas.html#germany
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